NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 22

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does anyone have any pics of the 611 wreck. i cant find any pics on it.
ty nick

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1. Re:Military Locomotives (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
2. Re: Military Locos? (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
3. Re: The NW Class J 611 (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
4. Records (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
5. Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 17
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6. Re: The NW Class J 611 (nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org)
7. Saturday, October 15 " train night" at Boyce, VA - NS MP
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:50:38 -0700
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
Subject: Re:Military Locomotives
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On 8/18/2005, you wrote:

>

> ... So far as I know, the USA locomotives were used only at Army 

> bases and in military service overseas during WWI and WWII (for 

> which most of them had been built in the first place). Yes, each 

> road did use its own motive power for military movements...


At the time of my retirement in 2000, Fort Lewis had a pair of 
Paducah rebuilt non-dynamic brake GP-10s. One was stored on main 
post in a tall quonset hut near the interchange yard on the northwest 
side of post, and the other was stored on the logistics base. I used 
to see them taken into Tacoma for any service that was beyond what 
the civilians who operated them could perform.

When I was assigned to my first duty station, we had several guard 
cars spotted a couple of building over from our battalion 
headquarters. Years later, when I returned, not only were the guard 
cars gone, but so was the rest of the trackage on that 
installation. As I recall, the Army had an Alco switcher in the 
small interchange yard back in the early 70's. That installation was 
Edgewood Arsenal.

I don't recall any locomotives at any of the other installations that 
I was stationed at, even though most of them had some trackage and 
received cars. I suspect the switching was handled under contract 
with whomever the local railroad was. That was one reason why I was 
surprised to see the pair of locomotives at Fort Lewis when I got there.

I realize that this has nothing to do with the N&W, but it seems that 
the discussion has moved on to military locomotives in general. Hope 
this is of some interest to someone on the list...

Cheers,
Kert Peterson
Fircrest, WA

Modeling the Norfolk and Western Ry in 1951, when Precision 
Transportation was still steam powered! 
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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:11:52 -0400
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
Subject: Re: Military Locos?
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That's a new Y-3 on the Bluefield turntable. Bristol's turntable, like most N&W turntables, was a deck girder bridge. Crewe and Bluefield had thru truss turntables. This is Bluefield, from the looks of the roundhouse.

Ed King
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YES, they used the MRS series of locomotives on the Colorado narrow gauge out of Durango, their was 2 of them used their in the 1960's I seem to recall, several got sent to Alaska.

Could some folks be thinking of the WW1 USRA? that took over the nations railroads? I have seen MANY photos of steam locomotives during that time with "U.S." painted on the tender, along with railroad name painted much smaller.

This is a link to a photo of one of those locomotives on the Bristol Turntable.

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS5878.JPG

Here is a photo of an Erie Steam Locomotive, with U.S. markings also.

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1597.jpeg

Yours Truly

Andy Jennings
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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:14:31 +0000
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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:32:09 -0400
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Does any one have any info on Semaphore Records in Virginia? I have tried several contact letters with no luck.


Jeff Wood
twlv18japie at earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:18:22 -0400
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Regarding Military locos in the Norfolk area, I have not found any 
indication that they ever ventured off of the Military bases. Most 
interchange in the region was performed by the Norfolk and Portsmouth Belt 
Line Railroad or it's parent roads. I have seen Belt Line trains delivering 
cars to the Norfolk Naval Base in Portsmouth and a couple of other nearby 
bases.

Dave George
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> When I was assigned to the Ordnance Shops at Fort Jackson after Korea the 

> post had a 44 tonner used to move cars around the post. The Class I would 

> drop cars jsut inside the post and some of the engineer types would crank 

> it up and do the switching. If anything went wrong they would ask us 

> Ordnance types, heavy maintenance to fix it. That was hoot as we had no 

> manuals. We usually went to town and aske the SRR folks for help which 

> they did.

> About ten years ago I had the opportunity to visit the Naval Ordnance 

> Depot near Camp Hill, PA. They had two Baldwin switchers and many 

> specialty cars, a number of which were heavy riveted construction, such 

> things as "ring cars" for moving gun turrets. Taking pictures was no 

> problem. Cal Reynolds

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>

>> Subj: Military locomotives

>>

>> While "never" may be too strong a term, it is generally unlikely that any 

>> of

>> the various military services' locomotives were ever used on mainline 

>> service

>> -- especially for any considerable distances.

>>

>> Almost all of the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy locomotives I ever saw were 

>> being

>> used within various bases and/or depots as switch engines. I have seen 

>> such

>> locomotives at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, the Earle NJ Ammunition Depot and 

>> the

>> Yorktown, VA ammunition depot. In the Norfolk, VA area, it is certainly 

>> likely

>> that from time to time a military locomotive moved cars from one base to

>> another because there are many facilities there. I recall a cousin 

>> telling me that

>> the Marine Corps used to have fuel delivered to the Cherry Point Air 

>> Station

>> by tank car using a Navy loco.

>>

>> For MANY years, the U.S. Army had a Railway Training Center at Fort 

>> Eustis,

>> VA. That base was home for the Army's rather extensive railroad 

>> equipment, much

>> of which was actually used in Europe. Fort Eustis also had a pretty

>> extensive "training railroad" with about three miles of track, sidings, 

>> bridges, etc.

>> where they could simulate operation of a real railroad. Today, the Army

>> Transportation Museum is at Fort Eustis and exhibits a number of Army 

>> locomotives

>> and cars. (I was there in July of this year)

>>

>> The Air Force had at least one locomotive (a small switcher, but I forget

>> what type) at Carswell Air Force Base near Fort Worth. It was used to 

>> move

>> passenger car "classrooms" around the sprawling base.

>>

>> Decades ago - probably before or during World War II -- the U.S. Coast 

>> Guard

>> had a steam loco (either an 0-4-0 or 0-6-0 - tank engine) at either the 

>> CG

>> Yard in Baltimore or at the CG Base in Boston (I've heard both "stories" 

>> and

>> could never confirm which) I had only seen one partial photo of it.

>>

>> Hope this helps.

>>

>> Herb Kern

>> Mobile, AL

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:04:40 -0400
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On Aug 19, 2005, at 12:14 AM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote:
Curve: both the curvature and superelevation of the curve itself has 
been changed since 1956, the curve made tighter and the superelevation 
lessened. The source was former 611 excursion engineer Bob Saxtan.>

Changing of the curvature and lowering of super elevation after the end 
of the steam and passenger era is common on the N&W, I would suspect on 
most roads. It was not related to the accident of January 1956.

Ken Miller



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
Subject: Saturday, October 15 " train night" at Boyce, VA - NS MP
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Hello, all:

You are invited to a "train evening" at Boyce,
Virginia, on Saturday, October 15. This is a pleasant
180 miles north of Roanoke through the scenic Autumn
foliage via I-81 or better yet, US 11 and 340. Arrive
after noon if you like for local railfanning, then
stay for evening presentations.


VENUE

The former N&W station in Boyce, Virginia, is at
milepost H46.1. It was built in 1913 with local
private funding. Evening presentations will be shown
in the main waiting room that is 24 feet square, with
a 24 feet high ceiling.


DIRECTIONS FROM THE NORTH, WEST, AND SOUTH:

Visitors from Front Royal, Winchester, or Berryville
will come to Boyce via US Highway 340. At the blinker
light, please turn east and go 300 yards to the
railroad crossing on East Main Street, Virginia route
723.


DIRECTIONS FROM THE EAST:

If you are coming from the east, follow Interstate 66
to exit 23, which is US Highway 17 north at Delaplane.
Proceed 7.5 miles on Highway 17 through the scenic
Crooked Run valley to the intersection of US Highway
50 adjacent to Paris, Virginia. Make a left onto US
Highway 50, John Mosby Highway, and make the climb and
descent over Ashby Gap. After crossing the Shenandoah
River and going about a mile, Virginia Route 723 turns
off on the right. The road is marked for Millwood and
Boyce. It's about three miles to Millwood, then two
more miles past that community to Boyce. Make a left
into the parking lot adjacent to the NS Railway
crossing.


LODGING:

The Best Western Lee-Jackson Motel is 15 minutes away
and at Exit 312 along Interstate 81. That is at the
US Highway 50 East exit, with a plethora of other
motels and eateries in sight. Most rooms range from
$45 to $60 per night with some specials occasionally
available. Reservations probably aren't needed if you
check in prior to dark.

In the event you want to camp out on a chilly --but
probably not freezing-- October night, there are
several options. If you have a camper, it can be
parked behind the station and an extension cord can be
provided for an electric hook-up. If you have a tent,
it can be erected south of the station in a grassy
area adjacent to the station platform. Finally, if
you only have a sleeping bag and cushion, you may
sleep on the main waiting room floor. For all, there
is an inside one-stall toilet and sink accessible if
I know you are staying over.


PARKING:

Once at the station, please park between East Main
Street and the station building. I recommend that you
leave your vehicle a little away from the track and
not up against the north side of the station. This
is just in case someone desires to take pictures of
trains passing the station.


PRESENTATIONS AND THEME:

Please let me know if you will be attending and if you
have material to present. While others can bring
presentations, I'll show some scenes taken during my
July vacation in Finland, Poland, and Estonia. The
video programs will begin at dusk since the main
waiting room windows cannot be covered to make the
room dark during daylight hours. If the weather is
nice, we may do the presentations under a canopy
outside.


EQUIPMENT:

I will have a digital projector and laptop. I also
have a screen, television, VHS VCR, and a 35 mm Kodak
carosel slide projector that takes either regular or
large capacity tray. Just in case the bulb burns out,
I ask that someone who has a known-to-be-operable
slide projector bring their's along just in case. You
won't need to get it out of your car unless there is a
crisis.


COMMUNICATIONS:

Here are phone numbers of importance: Prior to
Saturday, please call my weekday office phone at (202)
268-2121. The phone number at the station is (540)
837-9090, which you can provide to others as an
emergency point of contact.

Internet access is available for your laptop if you
have a wireless card. For those without a laptop,
there is a desktop computer available on a first-come,
first-served basis.

The fax number at the station is (540) 837-9046. The
fax machine is also available for sending messages, if
needed.


CHAIRS:

Chairs are available on a first-come, first-served
basis. Just in case there are more attendees than
chairs or if you require special seating, please bring
something suitable with you.


FOOD:

There will be complimentary hot dogs and burgers on a
grill starting at both noon and at 7 PM, so come
hungry. If you'd like to bring your own or want to
share side-dishes as pot-luck, please plan
accordingly. There is a refrigerator with a sampling
of soft drinks and a microwave oven if needed. No
"Rule G" infractions are allowed while on Norfolk
Southern leased land. Smoking is okay outside the
building.


ACCESS:

Entry to the large waiting room is by ramp, the
equivalent of two steps up from ground level. The
toilet is not handicapped equipped but can be used
with assistance. It is off the small waiting room
which is about a 40-feet walk on the same level and
should be wide enough for wheelchair passage.


QUESTIONS? ANYTHING I FORGOT?

Please contact me off line at f_scheer at yahoo.com
instead of replying on-list. I will provide you
answers within 24 hours since I check email daily but
not hourly. If it is useful information for others,
I'll include the information in a follow-up reminder
about a week ahead.

Hoping to see YOU!


Dr. Frank R. Scheer, Curator
Railway Mail Service Library, Inc.
f_scheer at yahoo.com
(202) 268-2121 - weekday office
(540) 837-9090 - weekend afternoons 
in the former N&W station on VA rte 723 
117 East Main Street 
Boyce VA 22620-9639

Visit at http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org





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