Express Boxcar ?

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Here are a few comments that others may be able to augment. First, I'm not convinced that the two box-express cars are B8's. Second, whatever they are, in order to operate in a passenger train they would have to be equipped with a passenger-type air brake control valve, a communication signal line and a steam trainline. So, equipment converted like this should be listed somewhere by the N&W.

I found information on Class Ef box express cars No. 220 - 228 and 230 - 239 in N&W Motive Power Data Book No. 1. These are the only box express cars listed in the two copies of Data Book No. 1 that I checked. One copy is dated Aug. 15, 1951 and the other is dated April 1, 1953, so these bracket the listed date of August Thieme's photo, Dec. 6, 1952.

Both copies of Data Book No. 1 have the same information for the Class Ef cars, viz., No. 220 - 228 "Roanoke Shops 1929," and No. 230 - 239 "Converted from BSb box car 1941." So, these must have been the cars in service when Thieme took his photo. Incidentally, the Class BSb box cars had "Dreadnaught" corrugated ends similar to the ends visible in the photo.

Gordon Hamilton

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A Google search took me to the OGR Forum, where someone pointed out that per the NWHS web site, N&W had converted some B-8 boxcars to express service. If you look closely at the end corrugations of the first car, it screams "Pullman PS-1" at you, i.e. B-8. However, a quick look through my reference materials yielded no details, listing of cars converted, or installation of passenger air brake systems. So, that's about all I can contribute - hopefully others have more information.

Dave Phelps

In a message dated 5/20/2011 7:43:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at writes:
Can someone enlighten me as to what class of box car is seen in the following photo behind the K1 locomotive?

What color they may they have been painted?

Jimmy Lisle

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