Express Boxcar ?

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Sun May 22 08:44:32 EDT 2011


I'm in 100% agreement with all your findings and conclusions. However, on
the NWHS web site in the archives area, there is the following:

1 document found for N&W Rwy Passenger Mail Storage Class B8
_Ordering info_ (
- records with thumbnails

Doc Type Locator Description Date Revision Date Drawing NW Mech Dwg
NW-D45856 Steel Details for Box Car Class B8 for Temporary Mail Storage Car

Unfortunately, in a half hour of searching, that is literally the only
reference I could find. The picture implies that at least two B-8's were so
converted. I can't add anything else.


In a message dated 5/22/2011 8:33:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Here are a few comments that others may be able to augment. First, I'm
not convinced that the two box-express cars are B8's. Second, whatever they
are, in order to operate in a passenger train they would have to be
equipped with a passenger-type air brake control valve, a communication signal
line and a steam trainline. So, equipment converted like this should be
listed somewhere by the N&W.

I found information on Class Ef box express cars No. 220 - 228 and 230 -
239 in N&W Motive Power Data Book No. 1. These are the only box express
cars listed in the two copies of Data Book No. 1 that I checked. One copy is
dated Aug. 15, 1951 and the other is dated April 1, 1953, so these
bracket the listed date of August Thieme's photo, Dec. 6, 1952.

Both copies of Data Book No. 1 have the same information for the Class Ef
cars, viz., No. 220 - 228 "Roanoke Shops 1929," and No. 230 - 239
"Converted from BSb box car 1941." So, these must have been the cars in service
when Thieme took his photo. Incidentally, the Class BSb box cars had
"Dreadnaught" corrugated ends similar to the ends visible in the photo.

Gordon Hamilton

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A Google search took me to the OGR Forum, where someone pointed out that
per the NWHS web site, N&W had converted some B-8 boxcars to express
service. If you look closely at the end corrugations of the first car, it screams
"Pullman PS-1" at you, i.e. B-8. However, a quick look through my
reference materials yielded no details, listing of cars converted, or installation
of passenger air brake systems. So, that's about all I can contribute -
hopefully others have more information.

Dave Phelps

In a message dated 5/20/2011 7:43:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Can someone enlighten me as to what class of box car is seen in the
following photo behind the K1 locomotive?


What color they may they have been painted?

Jimmy Lisle

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