N&W and Southern thru passenger service

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Louis,

Thanks for your additional comments.

Bud Jeffries

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> For several weeks during February and March 1950, during a coal strike,

> Southern diesels ran through on the N&W-Southern joint passenger trains

> (17-18, 41-42, 45-46) between Monroe and Bristol (see RAILS REMEMBERED,

> Vol. 3, p. 491).

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> Around May 1953, the Southern's coaling station at Monroe was torn down

> (see "The Arrow," Vol. 27, No. 2, p. 28, Chapter 73 of RAILS REMEMBERED).

> After that time and until the end of N&W steam operation on the joint

> trains, engines were dispatched from Roanoke to Monroe and back with a

> sufficient amount of coal to make the roundtrip. They were not serviced

> at Kinney.

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> Louis Newton

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>> Subject: Re: N&W and Southern Thru passenger service

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>> As a follow-on to Ray's comment, the entire Bristol Line operation was

>> dieslized on January 1st, 1958. Prior to that, both main line freight

>> and passenger service was steam powered, although the Abingdon Branch had

>> been dieselized in December 1957. The Bristol engine terminal became

>> diesel only while Radford turned a few steam engines until July 1958 for

>> the Huckleberry and other local runs.

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>> The only time that Southern diesels were routinely used on the joint

>> passenger trains prior to 1958 was during coal strikes such as in 1949.

>> After dieselizing the joint N&W/SR trains on 1/1/1958, the Southern

>> diesels run through between Bristol and Monroe.

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>> In about 1953, the Southern's steam terminal at Monroe stopped servicing

>> steam and the N&W J's were required to run the joint trains from Roanoke

>> to Monroe and back to Roanoke, possibly being serviced at Kinney. Louis

>> Newton probably can elaborate further on this since he has mentioned this

>> before.

>>

>> Bud Jeffries

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>> Subject: RE: N&W and Southern Thru passenger service

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>> The N&W/Southern trains (45-46, 17-18,41-42) were dieselized effective

>> January 1, 1958. By this time N&W was moving toward diesel power on all

>> its passenger trains (Shenandoah Valley line trains already had switched

>> to diesel power) and would achieve complete dieselization of passenger

>> service in the summer of 1958 (except for limited, occasional use of

>> steam around Christmas, 1958 and later excursion service).

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>> While GP9's were not used on the N&W/Southern passenger trains, they

>> were used on the N&W/Southern mail trains which ran in December each year

>> to move the heavy volume of Christmas mail.

>>

>> There trains, utilizing primarily box cars for the mail, ran as second

>> sections to some (not all) of the N&W/Southern trains well into the

>> 1960s.

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>> Ray Smoot

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>> Blacksburg, Va.

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>> I took the following question from the Southern Group and am asking if

>> anyone could explain further?

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>> I've noticed that several of Southern and Norfolk and Western's joint

>> trains like the Birmingham Special and Tennesean often had Southern power

>> on the N&W portion of the route after the N&W became 100% diesel, was

>> this normal and did all trains do this and does anyone have any info on

>> why N&W's passenger GP9's were not used instead?

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>> James Wall

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>> Rural Hall, NC

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>> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:07:26 -0500

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>> I think I herd there would be six new crossovers installed and signaled

>> in both direction

>> to accommodate the Amtrak Service

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>> Larry Evans

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>> Walter:

>> Regarding the photo made at New Bohemia -- do you know if NS has

>> extended Traffic Control east of Disputanta ? Used to be a rule of

>> thumb

>> Crewe dispatchers used -- if a coal train didn't have a 90 minute lead

>> on

>> eastbound passenger trains at Disputanta, the drag was held there until

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>> passenger train passed.

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>> En route to the coast two weeks ago, a M/W gang told be they'd recently

>> installed a double crossover at MP 47 (west of Ivor). Must be in

>> anticipation

>> of new Amtrak service to Norfolk. Thanks - Harry Bundy

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