Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model

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Sun Sep 29 15:32:15 EDT 2013

Thanks Russ,

The link to the Flannery photos is an absolute gold mine. I've got Ron's
book "L&N in the Appalachians".

I've been studying the Norton satellite images on Google Maps. I'm not able
to locate any diesel service facilities. Were there none there?

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I would second Paul's recommendation of the Clinch Valley, at least between
St. Paul and Norton, as I am going to model that section, plus on westward
to Appalachia & Andover on the former Interstate. In addition to coal, the
L&N had run-through trains, including at least two daily freights that came
through Hagan's Switchback and were interchanged to the Clinchfield via St.
Paul. The N&W and the Interstate ran parallel to each other and crossed each
other twice between Norton and Tacoma, as well as both served the large
Paramount Coal complex at Ramsey, VA. Between Tacoma and Coeburn, the
Interstate turned south along the Guest River and went on to the
Clinchfield's Miller Yard. So you would be able to run Southern coal and
freights in the background as well.

As far as industries on that end of the line you have at least the following
list on the N&W:

Carbo - AEP Power Plant - coal in, loaded 2 bay 100T cement hoppers out (for
removal of fly ash)
St. Paul - there is a ready-mix concrete plant (crushed stone, sand and
St. Paul - building construction supply house (brick / CMU in boxcars,
lumber on flats & center beams)
Russell - Flood Loader
Coeburn / Big Toms Crk Br - two loading locations, ammonium nitrate plant
There are ~6 main line load outs on the N&W and another 4 mainline load outs
on the Interstate between Coeburn and Norton.
Norton - There used to be a ready mix concrete plant (IIRC), a Texaco Oil
distribution center and two freight houses. There also used to be a team
track for the Caterpillar dealer and the Pepsi Cola facility used to get
serviced as well, though Pepsi was on the Interstate.

Ed Wolfe has written three wonderful books about the Interstate and Ron
Flannery has written a couple of books on the L&N's operations in the
region, focusing on the L&N Cumberland Sub, those books in addition to Dan
Borques Appalachian Railroads website that Paul mentioned should be
excellent resources for you. You may also want to look up Ron Flannery on RR
Pictures.net as he has a bunch of period photos on that website. You can
sort by photographer to help filter your search down.

While I am modeling the area myself, I do not have a track plan to share as
my wife and I are working toward building a new basement in the next two

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly.

Russ Goodwin
Buford, GA


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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:58:57 +0000
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I am modeling the Clinch Valley District in N-scale, and I think you will
find it a great section of the N&W to model. Depending on your space
restrictions, I suggest you consider modeling Norton to St. Paul/Boody or
Norton to Richlands. Norton was the interchange with the L&N and the
Interstate/Southern which will give you a variety of railroads and rolling
stock to model. During the time period you are interested in the L&N had
trackage rights over the CV from Norton to St. Paul so that the L&N could
interchange coal trains with the Clinchfield at Castle (just south of St.
Paul on the Clinchfield). At Boody (just east of St. Paul) the N&W
interchanged with the Clinchfield. Between St. Paul and Coeburn are a series
of tunnels and trestles that would be great to model. East from St. Paul
there was a small yard and the AEP power plant at Carbo, and Richlands had
a small yard and some industries to switch. Of course there were numerous
coal tipples and loaders along the CV.

To get started I suggest you take a look at the three part series on the CV
that Bucky Wilson and I published in The Arrow in 2004 (volumes 20-2; 20-3;
and 20-4), and I published an article about Richlands in the January-March,
2011 edition of The Arrow (volume2 7-1). (Sorry for the personal plug. )

Official Guides and N&W employee timetables show the through freight
schedules on the CV for any time period you are interested in.

There are some HO track plans based on the CV at the Appalachian Railroad
Modeling website: www.appalachianrailroadmodeling.com.

Hope that this helps.

Paul Mandelkern

Winter Park, Florida

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I know this title looks "model" based, but what I'm after is opinions on an
interesting piece of the railroad from the folks that have been there and
understand the operations.

I was planning to model the Radford Division from Narrows to Bluefield in
N-scale, but the more I look at N-scale models the less convinced I am that
they are big enough for me to work with. Since the eyes will only be
getting worse from here, I'm going back to HO scale.

A major yard and double track main won't fit my space in HO so I need to
pick a new location - not to mention the New River which would eat up a huge
chunk of the real estate on even a N-scale layout. I'm looking for
something in the VA/WV mountains, single track, nice mountain scenery, a
minor yard and a decent traffic rate. I'm interested in the early 70's just
before the N&W switched to buying low hood diesels. Right now I'm leaning
toward the Clinch Valley District. My thinking is that the connections at
the southern end (or is it western?) will give me an excuse to mix in a
little variety rather than running 100% coal.

Any info on what traffic patterns looked like on the Clinch Valley in the
70's would be very helpful. I'm also open to advice on a branch that might
be more interesting to model.


Carl Woods

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