1895 at Kenova: N&W and C&O crossing
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The 1895 N&W-C&O crossing at Kenova was probably the crossing of N&W's
Kenova Belt Line and the C&O main line, about a mile east of N&W's Ohio
River bridge crossing over the C&O at the former two-level passenger
station. The Belt Line gave the N&W access to industries along the river.
As I recall, in later years the location was known on the C&O as "KV"
Cabin, and the triple-track C&O main line was crossed through a series of
crossovers. N&W customers on the Belt Line included rail-to-river coal
docks.
Louis Newton
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> 4. Re: 1895 at Kenova: N&W and C&O Crossing - National Signal
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> 5. Re: Re: Virginian Photo (NW Mailing List)
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> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:47:15 -0500
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> I don't have a definate answer, but some clues to help date it.
>
> It will have to be late 20's/early 30's because of the dress style.
> For the train pre-streamliner days. Everybody is wearing some crazy hat,
> perhaps some Lions-like group charting a train?
>
> Obviously festive enough for a photographer to snapshot the whole group
> for posterity.
>
> -Lynn-
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> On 2/10/2015 7:28 AM, nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org wrote:
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>> Virginian Photo
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>> We are looking for information about this photo. What was the
>> occasion? Where and when was it taken?
>> If you have any information, we would much appreciate it.
>> Anne & HB Bryant
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>> http://nwhs.org/mailinglist/2015/20150210.VirginianPhoto.jpg
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> The location matches that of one I have of Virginian 800 taken in
> Princeton. I used cropped version of the picture of VGN 800 in Princeton
> in my
> Virginian Railway Calendar, April 2010.
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> Aubrey Wiley
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> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:47 AM,
> ?Lynn
> wrote:
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> I don't have a definate answer, but some clues to help date it.
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> ?More clues that might click with someone. The banner looks like it reads
> "Come and see us, you might like us."
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> Based on the building at the right of the photo, it looks like it is
> either
> in Victoria or Princeton due to the two stories. Someone familiar with the
> station grounds at those locations might be able to nail down which town
> it
> is, which could help in research.
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> Bruce in Blacksburg
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> Was there an at-grade crossing in Kenova, before the present day N&W river
> bridge was built, circa 1910? N&W (NS) now crosses over the C&O on a
> steel
> bridge, near the site of their joint passenger station.
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> J. Kelling
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> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:52 PM, NW Mailing List
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>> The Railroad Gazette magazine (vol. 27, p. 75, Feb 1, 1895) carries two
>> sentences bearing upon the N&W at Kenova:
>>
>> "SIGNALING CONTRACTS: The National Switch & Signal Co. has been awarded
>> the contract for furnishing signaling apparatus at Kenova, W.Va., at the
>> crossing of the double main track of the Chespeake & Ohio with the
>> Norfolk
>> & Western. This company has also been awarded the contract for furnishing
>> standard station block signals for the Chesapeake & Ohio."
>>
>> Can anyone interpret what this was all about? I think it was probably a
>> manually controlled interlocking owned by the C&O and, given the date
>> (1895,) it was probably a standard armstrong interlocking without the
>> application of electric track circuits or locking... my guess.
>>
>> -- abram burnett
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> Trains Magazine did a 2 part article on the K-3s many years ago by John B.
> Corns in the February & March 1979 issues. It was pretty much about their
> use on the W&LE and NKP but there was quite a bit of good technical stuff
> about the engines and their inception and lives. Lots of photos and
> information. I believe those railroads used them for drag service so that
> should have suited them much better than manifest freights.
>
> Apparently the N&W tried them in a lot of places and different types of
> service. One of my favorite K-3 photos shows it on the front of a
> passenger train.
>
> Anyone who can get through Kalmbach's search engine can probably find the
> back issues. I never can find anything I'm looking for there.
> Even if they weren't as great for N&W use as anticipated I think they more
> than made up for it in looks. Not that the railroad cared much about that!
> I think they were great looking engines and seem to have a lot of appeal
> to many folks.
> Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works
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> div.yiv2425833496WordSection1 {}#yiv2425833496 Mason - ?Their use on the
> Buchanan Branch was an effort to find out where they wouldwork without
> showing their faults; if the crews liked them, it was because theycouldn?t
> haul the tonnage of a Y and would therefore have to be used inmultiples .?
> ?They were built for fast freight service.? They were to be N&W?sanswer to
> the Super Power Berkshires.? They didn?t do that.? They wereused on the
> Bristol Line local freight trains, according to material I read atBristol
> Shop years ago.? They weren?t actually fast enough for
> that,either.?Misused?? No.? Misconceived?? Yes.?EdKing?
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> From: NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 9:02 PMTo: 'NW
> Mailing List' Subject: RE: The K3 Mountains?Group, Toadd to the
> discussion, perhaps the K3s were misused. Before the arrival of theClass A
> they were used in manifest freight service. Although they were not
> intended for the type of service following, I remember reading in the
> N&WMagazine accounts of them being used successfully on the Buchanan
> branch on theclimb up and over Raitt hill. The crews who used them
> preferred them to theClass Y mallets. MasonCooper ?From:
> NW-Mailing-List[mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW
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> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 10:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: The K3 Mountains ?adb - ? There was a generaldissatisfaction
> communicated to the MP department, but the boss, Alexander Kearney, stayed
> put until he was thrown off a horse and met his demise.?That was when
> Russell Henley became Superintendent of MotivePower. ? IMHO the K-3
> wasmisconceived, but I have the benefit of 90 years of hindsight; it
> should havebeen a 2-8-4 instead of a 4-8-2 (it could have had a shorter
> main rod), but myguess is that Kearney didn?t want to go that way.? It was
> known, too, that63?-drivered Super Power engines elsewhere were not known
> as particularly goodriders or easy on track (T&P put disc main drivers on
> its 63? 2-10-4s tomake them good for 60MPH which required a driver RPM of
> 320).? The K-3 wasa fierce looking machine, though. ? Notwithstanding
> theK-3, N&W?s experience in counterbalancing took a fantastic upturn, so
> thatthe Class A and the later Y?s were excellent at high driver RPM and
> there maynever, anywhere, have been a steam locomotive as
> perfectly balanced as the J,which was completely comfortable at driving
> wheel RPM of well over 500.?The PRR people riding the 610 when it tested
> between Crestline and Chicago recorded a speed of 111 MPH, at which the
> drivers were turning at 532 RPM(assuming new tires; if the tires were worn
> the RPM would have been higher;one-half inch of tire wear, resulting in a
> driver diameter of? 69 inches,would have meant an RPM of 540.5 at 111
> MPH).? The PRR people stated (readDave Stephenson?s story in the ARROW)
> that the only engine PRR ever had thatrode better than the J was their
> 6-4-4-6, which had 84? Baldwin Disc drivers;the K4 Pacifics, M1 Mountains
> and even the T1 4-4-4-4s weren?t as good.?Not only did the J ride well,
> its valve gear was so well designed that it couldattain that speed without
> resorting to the use of poppetvalves. ? EdKing ? ? From: NW MailingList
> Sent:Sunday, February 08, 2015 6:14 PM To: N&WMailing List Subject: TheK3
> Mountains ? Internal politicstend to be covered
> up and generally linger on only in the fuzzy memories andoften embellished
> tales of old men. ? But is it knownwho, in the Motive Power Department,?
> took the heat for the design faultsand the generally lackluster
> performance of the K3 classMountains? ? That is to say,was anyone's career
> "cut short" by the situation with theK3's? ? -- abramburnett ?
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