Bells

Tue Sep 26 15:45:22 EDT 2023

I guess I was really curious as to why someone would think there would be different rules for use of the bell on a steam locomotive vs. any other sort of locomotive.

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Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

> On Sep 26, 2023, at 12:23 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> Larry
> 
> I think it was pure curiosity, not all of our folks have studied rule books over the years. Agreed that most rule books are very similar, and as you show, even the rule number is the same.
> 
> Thanks for sharing the other roads info.
> 
> My mention of rule books in the Arrow was based on the questions of classification lamps and display of flags, as well as many questions on signaling.
> 
> There are also a lot of specific rule books, much smaller, for specific crafts, which is where I was going.
> 
> Best
> Ken Miller
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2023, at 9:38 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> I am starting to wonder what is driving this question. Rules regarding use of the bell were pretty standard across railroads and did not differentiate as to type of locomotive. 
>> 
>> From my 1981 N&W rule book:
>> Rule 30. The engine bell must be rung:
>> When an engine is abut to move except after momentary stops in continual switch movements;
>> While approaching and passing public crossings at grade;
>> When passing through tunnels;
>> When passing trains standing on adjacent tracks; and
>> At a point where required by special instructions or by law.
>> The unnecessary use of the engine bell is prohibited.
>> 
>> From a 1956 New Haven rule book:
>> Rule 30. Except where the momentary stop and start forward or backward, is a continuous switching movement, the engine bell must be run when an engine is about to move; while approaching and passing public crossings at grade; while approaching and passing a train standing on an adjacent track and while approaching and passing passenger station platforms adjacent to the track upon which the train is running.
>> 
>> From a 1937 New York Central rule book:
>> Rule 30. The engine bell must be rung when an engine is about to move and while approaching and passing public crossings at grade or in an emergency.
>> 
>> From a 1956 Pennsylvania Railroad rule book:
>> Rule 30. The engine bell must be rung when an engine is about to move, when running through tunnels, while approaching and passing public crossings at grade and when passing a train standing on an adjacent track.
>> 
>> All very similar, none say anything about steam, diesel, or electric locomotives, and all Rule 30 as the railroads had worked back then to develop very similar rule books.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Larry Stone
>> lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
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>>> On Sep 25, 2023, at 2:32 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>>> So the OP specifically asked about rules regarding steam locomotives.  Many of the detailed replies are covering time after 1959. 
>>> 
>>> Mr. Miller, should we conclude the "modern era" rules are just a complete carry over from earlier times?
>>> 
>>> Just trying to clarify. 
>>> 
>>> Jim Stapleton
>>> Northernmost NoVA
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>>> On Sep 25, 2023, at 17:20, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>>> Here 1981 operating  Rules PDF search the web thinks there a few more N&W ones out there in PDF  Larry Evans
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>>> Thanks to all who replied to my question about when and how N&W used bells on steam locomotives.  Ken, I look forward to seeing the rule book when you get it scanned, and jimmy, thanks for the quote you posted from the rule book.  I now have a much better idea of bell use. 
>>> Jack Fletcher 
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>>> Jack,
>>>   The following is from the N&W Operating Rule book in effect as of Nov.18, 1951: "Rule #30 - The engine bell must be rung when an engine is about to move, while approaching and passing public crossings at grade from each crossing whistle post tothe crossing, when passing through tunnels and yards, through or over streets, and when passing trains on two or more tracks"
>>> Jimmy Lisle
>>> On 9/23/2023 10:05 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List wrote:
>>> I have often wondered, were there any rules as to when and how bells were used on N&W steam engines?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jack Fletcher
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