Blue Engines

Sun Sep 8 18:50:16 EDT 2024

Herb 
NS has already furnished a horn 

All is well
Larry Evans
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> On Sep 8, 2024, at 5:57 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> Herb/Brent
> 
> The 1580 is otherwise complete and was operational at Juniata as recently as 2016, it will not take a lot to get it running once again we hope.
> 
> Units were coming so frequently at the time, it is hard to guess if any were photographed or not, but the stenciling diagram specifies the blue paint and scotchlite lettering.
> 
> The Chapter’s intent is to have it operational once we have a new home to place it. Situation there is kind of in flux at the moment. Tougher to have six axle units a place to run usually.
> 
> The airhorns were relocated at some point from cab roof to put a/c unit on, we’ve opted at this point to leave a/c unit on and in place. We also are leaving the ditch lights on for obvious reasons.
> 
> NS did replace the horn quickly, they were sent to me within a couple of days of reporting it gone. Photos show it was still there at Juniata.
> 
> Thanks to NS for their cooperation.
> 
> Best
> Ken
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2024, at 4:16 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Ken
>> Thanks for sharing Ed Painter’s photo. I assumed she was delivered in “Pevler Blue” but could not find any photos on the internet…private or company. Would have thought as the first SD40 delivered there would have been a company photo made. 🤷‍♂️
>> 
>> Frustrating that the 1580’s horn was stolen. Do you know if it was the “standard” N&W 5-chime ? If so, might there be a possibility that NS would donate a replacement horn  from another ex-N&W SD40/SD40-2 on the dead line?  
>> 
>> Thanks again for the information update on the 1580.
>> 
>> Herb Edwards
>> 
>> 
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>> On Sunday, September 8, 2024, 3:55 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> Herb
>> 
>> The 1580 was most certainly delivered in blue in May 1966, and will be restored to correct blue and scotchlite gold lettering for its premier.
>> 
>> The attached photo from Ed Painter depicts her at Bellevue in February 1976. This will be part of the article in the Arrow as soon as we have other images.
>> 
>> It is also of note to report that before the locomotive left Juniata Shops, someone stole the horn off the unit. Sad that thieves will damage preserved equipment.
>> 
>> 
>> Best
>> Ken Miller
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 8, 2024, at 2:45 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> Based on the timing of the announcement of the new paint scheme & the last comment of your response it seems that  the 1580 was delivered in blue. I cannot find any online photos of the 1580 in “Pevler blue”, but that could be attributed to “user error”. 🤷‍♂️
>>> Thanks
>>> Herb Edwards
>>> 
>>> 
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>>>> On Sunday, September 8, 2024, 6:51 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>> Carl
>>> 
>>> N&W announced in the March 1966 N&W Magazine with a front cover photo, depicting No. 2704 and passenger car No. 1723 in the new N&W No. 23 blue and gold scheme.
>>> 
>>> The caption reads:
>>> 
>>> "FRONT COVER of this issue shows two units of Norfolk and Western equipment which have been painted in our new standard colors for locomotives, passenger cars and "head end cars N&W No. 23 acrylic blue enamel and gold. The colors are highly pleasing to the eye and give our equipment an attractive and lively appearance.
>>> N &W equipmenl is being repainted with the new colors as it goes through our shops for repairs. So far, twelve locomotives and eight passenger equipment cars have been repainted. Two passenger locomotives, seven freight locomotives, one passenger coach and seven head end cars have been repainted at Roanoke Shops, and three freight locomotives have been repainted at our shops at Decatur, Ill. "
>>> 
>>> The blue scheme came from the President Herman Pevler, hence the name “Pevler Blue”, but the blue chosen by the N&W is not the same as the Wabash blue, it is indeed darker, as was stated in some internal correspondence the Wabash blue was “about two shades lighter” than No. 23 blue.
>>> 
>>> The blue paint was not a success, as painting methods for preparation work, particularly on the western end of the system resulted in poor cleaning and adhesion of the new paint, allowing in a fairly short time from the paint to come off, and reveal the older schemes below. With the poorer paint technology combined with poor prep work, the blue paint began to fade almost immediately, and washed out from a very dark blue to a badly weathered, faded blue.
>>> 
>>> The paint, for the most part, has been difficult to match today, as paint formulations changed dramatically 10-15 years ago, and the old formula of blue results in a dark brown paint today. The Archives did not have what are called color drift cards for the No.23 blue. Drift cards are factory made color samples to be used to test match the actual color as applied.
>>> 
>>> The No. 23 blue is difficult to match on a model, as your indoor lighting does not represent it correctly and the reasons of scale, it will appear much too dark if using actual color.
>>> 
>>> The color is being correctly matched today, and will or has been applied to recently donated SD-40 No. 1580, which will make its premier sometime later this year.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> Ken Miller
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 8, 2024, at 1:09 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>>>> Hello – When did the N&W paint their locos blue?
>>>> 
>>>> Carl Barna
>>>> Emmaus, PA
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