PCM Y6b's

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I think the phrase from this past post we all need to pay attention to is 
"toy train", because at the end of the day that's all it is.  We are grown 
men playing with toys.  Anyone who thinks they are doing something more 
needs to getover himself.

Baaaahhh! =)
Marty Flick
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Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's



> The cavalier attitude of most toy train manufacturers is such that when a

> company says they are producing high quality models should we believe them

> and side with whatever they say in the advertising??  I'm NOT a sheep.

>

> I took advantage of the folks who sold their excellent Powerhouse Y3's to

> get Lifelike models.  I bought a total of 12 of them.  I refuse to buy

> another Y6 that is merely a tech upgrade of the 50 year old Rivorossi

> design.  The engineering of both the lifelike Y3, BLI "A" and now the PCM

> Y6b as it relates to articulation is just copying from a 50 year old 

> design.

>

> Making a Y6/Y6a would have made better sense.  They could also do a Y5 

> with

> very few changes.  It suggests that no 'real' research of the railroad 

> took

> place, and the extent was maybe a look at a video.  Beancounters ONLY DO

> BEANCOUNTING.

>

> Most average modelers can add details and weather a model so why spend big

> bucks on a poor model? Get a recent Y6b from Rivorossi and superdetail it.

>

> If a few manufactures get stuck with poorly reviewed models perhaps they

> will fire those who designed such a poor model in the first place?

>

> Do we know if anyone from PCM contacted the Society?

> Did they listen? (obviously NOT)

>

> I suggest writing in to the various RR mags to complain.

> Complain to the manufacturer to get your money back.

>

>

> Mark Lindsey

> Stuck in the 1930's

>

>

>>

>>> Perhaps NOW we as an organization should endorse, or

>>> NOT ENDORSE various N&W products in a more >vocal way.  Perhaps sending 

>>> a

>>> letter of commendation, or condemnation to the various >model RR mags.

>>

>>     First, we should probably make sure that the Society has done 

>> everything

>> possible to make sure that the model is done correctly.  It hardly seems

>> fair to bash a company for their products if there was no attempt made to

>> provide them with accurate information.  Of course, this is a two-way

>> street, and  the manufactorer must be willing to listen, which is not 

>> always

>> the case.

>>

>>     Also, don't expect a model magazine to publish a letter criticising a

>> product or company.  When was the last time you read a truely negative

>> review in a magazine?  They don't want to offend companies who purchase

>> advertising in their magazine.

>>

>>     Finally, who is going to decide the standards on such a project? 

>> Based

>> on the feedback on this mailing-list, I would guess that the Proto Y3 

>> would

>> have been the recipient of negative feedback, but I as an individual 

>> member

>> would not have agreed with such a statement.  I therefore may have 

>> decided

>> to cancel my NWHS membership so as to not be associated with the

>> letter/endorsement.  The impact of Society endorsed and non-endorsed 

>> models

>> would probably not be as noticable in the accuracy and sales of models as 

>> it

>> would be in the politics and in-fighting of the Society.

>>

>>     With regards to comparing the BLI A power to the PCM Y6b, does the 

>> fact

>> that the A has a traction tire and the Y6b does not factor in?  And the

>> tender is not heavy because of the big speaker; my non-sound ones are 

>> heavy

>> as well.  It is because the tender is also diecast metal, and relatively

>> thick metal at that, at least when compared with the thickness of plastic

>> tender shells.

>>

>>     I have not heard a sound equipped Y6b yet, but I know the PCM Reading

>> 4-8-4's sounded odd.  The exhaust almost had this rubbery or "boinging"

>> sound.  I never heard a real one, so I don't know if that is accurate or

>> not.  Does the Y6b's "confusing" exhaust have a similar effect?  If so, 

>> is

>> this an inherent problem with the ESU Loksound system?

>>

>> Marty Flick

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>>                      Power - not acceptable.  My Broadway 1218 will 

>>>> shove

>>>> the Y-6b right off the test track without slipping a driver (I haven't

>>>> tested it against my Y-3s).  The Y-6b will not budge the A if the A

>>>> is not under power.

>>>>                      Tender is heavy all right, but I guess that's

>>>> because

>>>> of the big speaker.

>>>>

>>>> Ed King

>>>>

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:22 AM

>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> There, there, David.  Everything's gonna be OK.  Let not your heart be

>>>>> troubled . . .

>>>>>

>>>>> EdKing

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:41 AM

>>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> It's probably my imagination, but....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Is there something proportionately off about the front

>>>>>> end of PCM's Y6b?  All the individual parts are great,

>>>>>> but the front view on the website doesn't look right.

>>>>>> Is the headlight a bit too high?  The Y6b bracket was

>>>>>> different from the other Y6's and the headlight was

>>>>>> located lower relative to the number plate.  Gave the

>>>>>> Y6b a less squatty appearance from  the front.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Maybe I'm just having a rivet-counter relapse.  Try to

>>>>>> keep it under control but don't always succeed.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dave Stephenson

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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