PCM Y6b's

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Yeah... I can live with those short-comings. They look good and when 
remotored they run well. Until we start running them on coal and steam 
instead of electricity, there are no HO locomotives that are truly accurate, 
are there?

Bob Welsh

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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's



> That's true, if you can live with 51" drivers on the cookie-cutter flange 

> versions, or 53.5" on the later RP25-flanged '80s version. This compared 

> to 57"-58" on the prototype. That's the one thing that drove me nuts about 

> them, visually. That said, for the time, the detailing wasn't bad. 

> Somewhere, I've got MR's 1965-66 review of the model, which praised its 

> prototype fidelity, but did ding the drivers. Oh, also sawing a scale 18" 

> or so from the middle of the cab helps (they made it longer to accommodate 

> the original 3-pole motor).

> My humble $.02

>

> Andre Jackson and/or Lisa Burrows

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> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:27 PM

> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>

>

>> At the risk of having things thrown at me, for the money, Rivarossi Y's 

>> picked up on ebay, even if you have to remotor them and install DCC 

>> decoders in them, to me are every bit as good with a couple hundred 

>> dollars total investment, as the PCM $600 unit. I have five of them, and 

>> while I had to seek assistance in getting the decoders in them, I found 

>> some help here and managed to install two myself. I took two units to the 

>> area hobby shop to do those, and I have one more to go. With some custom 

>> detailing and patience, you can make a fleet of unique Y's for a LOT less 

>> than the expense of that PCM unit.

>>

>> Bob Welsh

>>

>> ----- Original Message ----- 

>> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:32 AM

>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>

>>

>>> Did anybody get the packet in the mail from PCM/BLI??? Maybe THIS is why 

>>> the

>>> models cost so much.  So the guy in charge worked for Lionel and Mikes 

>>> Train

>>> House.

>>>

>>> On a related topic, I too have a Bowser Challenger and it pulls great, 

>>> and

>>> articulates correctly.  The overhang is pretty much proto-typical, 

>>> unlike

>>> the A, Y3, or Y6b. The only way for the plastic models to 'look good' 

>>> going

>>> around curves, is for the curves to be about 60 inches in diameter, and

>>> super-elevated.  Hmmm.....  So even a correctly articulated engine like 

>>> a

>>> Big Boy would have little overhang issues.  Apples and oranges I guess.

>>>

>>> Mark Lindsey

>>>

>>>> Bob contact Rick Bell in Augusta, Ga about installing decoders and

>>>> remotoring. He is at Rwbrv4 at aol.com,  Cal Reynolds

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>>>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:16 AM

>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> WEll I have FIVE Rivarossi Y6b's. Three are still as Y6b's, and two I 

>>>>> have

>>>>> are kitbashed into a Y6 and a Y4. WIth a little bit of money invested 

>>>>> in

>>>>> detail parts and DCC decoders I have five unique units. Now, I have 

>>>>> had

>>>>> trouble getting the DCC decoders in them so am seeking help there, but 

>>>>> I

>>>>> figure even remotored and with the investment I have in them, I have 

>>>>> half

>>>>> the investment that one of the PCM units would be, or less.

>>>>>

>>>>> Bob Welsh

>>>>>

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>>>>> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>> To: "'N and W Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:08 PM

>>>>> Subject: RE: PCM Y6b's

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Isn't PCM connected in some way to BLI? IF so what happened to the

>>>>>> communication between the two companies. Since I heard on the list a 

>>>>>> Y6b

>>>>>> was

>>>>>> going to be made I was really excited. Now hearing Mr. King's 

>>>>>> comments on

>>>>>> the Y6b, which I personally pay very close attention to all comments 

>>>>>> Mr.

>>>>>> King makes as well as a lot of others here on the list, I will resume 

>>>>>> a

>>>>>> search for a brass model and not purchase the PCM model at all. The 

>>>>>> model

>>>>>> railroad industry is BOOMING right now and for PCM to put out a

>>>>>> substandard

>>>>>> model for the price they are asking is ridiculous. I have a tight 

>>>>>> model

>>>>>> railroad budget and I would have been severely upset if I had 

>>>>>> purchased

>>>>>> this

>>>>>> model and my current Rivarossi Y6b be more representative of the 

>>>>>> awesome

>>>>>> class of locomotive then the PCM.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Just me 2 cents worth.

>>>>>> Jon Kelley

>>>>>> norfolknwestern1218 at adelphia.net

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>>> From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org

>>>>>> [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of

>>>>>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org

>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:57 AM

>>>>>> To: N and W Modeling List

>>>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Nigel - attached is the letter to PCM that will go in tomorrow's 

>>>>>> mail.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ed King

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>>> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:02 PM

>>>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi Ed;

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Have you sent these comments to PCM?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thank you

>>>>>>> Nigel F Misso

>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:25 PM

>>>>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So I got mine yesterday, and put it on the programming track today.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Comments:  Valve gear is not acceptable.  If Proto can put 

>>>>>>>> acceptable

>>>>>>>> valve gear on the Y-3s, why can't these folks put it on the Y-6b? 

>>>>>>>> And

>>>>>>>> Broadway on the N&W A, for that matter?

>>>>>>>>                     Sound is barely acceptable; the exhaust sound 

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> confusing to say the least.  Other sounds are OK; a nice touch is 

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> splash of water from the injector overflow after the injector shuts

>>>>>>>> off.

>>>>>>>>                     Programming is OK.

>>>>>>>>                     Power - not acceptable.  My Broadway 1218 will

>>>>>>>> shove

>>>>>>>> the Y-6b right off the test track without slipping a driver (I 

>>>>>>>> haven't

>>>>>>>> tested it against my Y-3s).  The Y-6b will not budge the A if the A 

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> not under power.

>>>>>>>>                     Tender is heavy all right, but I guess that's

>>>>>>>> because

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> of the big speaker.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Ed King

>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:22 AM

>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> There, there, David.  Everything's gonna be OK.  Let not your 

>>>>>>>>> heart be

>>>>>>>>> troubled . . .

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> EdKing

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>>>>>>>>> From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>>>>> To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:41 AM

>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: PCM Y6b's

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> It's probably my imagination, but....

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Is there something proportionately off about the front

>>>>>>>>>> end of PCM's Y6b?  All the individual parts are great,

>>>>>>>>>> but the front view on the website doesn't look right.

>>>>>>>>>> Is the headlight a bit too high?  The Y6b bracket was

>>>>>>>>>> different from the other Y6's and the headlight was

>>>>>>>>>> located lower relative to the number plate.  Gave the

>>>>>>>>>> Y6b a less squatty appearance from  the front.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm just having a rivet-counter relapse.  Try to

>>>>>>>>>> keep it under control but don't always succeed.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dave Stephenson

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

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