Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj

[NW Modeling List]

Many other rr historical groups have 'paint committees' that sweat and
struggle to derive a 'standard range of paint colors for MODELS' based on
the paint information and chips that they scrounge or whatever from the
prototype.   The intent is to provide a rational pick for manufacturers to
use.  Yes, the selections intent to fudge in lighter colors for smaller
models, HO and N, and some compensation for lighting over a layout.  

 

Do we have any members here that want to volunteer for this committee?

 

Send your reply to rolih at nwhs.org.

 

Gary Rolih 

 

 

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I would not argue that the passenger cars as delivered new from a
manufacturer or cars being returned to service after shopping and painting
would be far more similar or consistent in color.  Yet,  when even freshly
painted....a specific paint color will vary due to differences in production
batches of paint.... or based on how heavily of lightly it is applied.. or
what color paint or primer is being covered.....   To me in my N&W modeling
so long as the color/tint falls within an acceptable range I no longer get
too concerned about it.  One of the nice things about model railroading is
that we are each the CEO of our railway....and as such can choose and accept
whatever we like.

Best regards,

Ed Painter

 

Narrows, VA - currently living in Russellville, AR

 

 

 

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ED:

You are correct photos and videos range in different shades of red.  What
your forgetting is that the photos and video show 

Cars in different time periods in the same consist as some are newer and
some are older. Thus color variation of usage and fading, etc.

Models are produced as built. Thus as delivered paint schemes. Yes, color is
an old debate, but take note how far out the red 

Is that I have forward to the forum.

Stephen Rineair

 

 

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Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj

 

Stephen,

 

Same old debate.  When you look at videos or pictures of N&W prototypes the
colors go through a range of variation.  As the N&W passenger train passes
by the different colors are amazing.  I've pretty much stopped losing sleep
over the various colors on models.  If it has more red than PRR Tuscan and
stays less red that a fire engine it probably matches one of the cars going
by on a N&W passenger consist in the 1950's.

 

Ed Painter;  Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR

 

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Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj

 

Mike:

I am seriously considering repainting the model, which I feel should not
have to be done for the price.

Even Tom Dressler, George Hughes, Dean Freytag, Jim Nichols(?) at some of
the first conventioneers agreed that the IHC/AHM/Rivarossi

Car color is very close (having color paint samples).  Even the newer
Branchline N&W kits are a very good color match.

I sure wish our modeling committee could have been at some of the early
convention in which the N&W color was discussed

In great lengths so that we could get better color quality control.

I can handle color variations from model to model, but this is a little too
far in left field.

I appreciate your suggestion Mike, but not all modelers like to weather
their model. 

It would be nice if the modeling committee would use pervious produced
models as a guide and come 

Reasonably close.

Stephen Rineair

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj

 

Will you attempt to tone down the red with some black weathering?

Mike Rector

 

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Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 8:00:12 PM
Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj

I received the Division Point M1 RPO cars today.

The car itself looks fantastic! The diaphragms are very well executed, maybe
one the best produced yet!

The details on the car are very well done and crisp. The window treatment
are excellent with blinds(?) which helps hide the empty interior.

There are no lights in the car, but could be added if one prefers. I will
leave my as is for now.

The color, well let me say it's some type of maroon, red, pinkish color that
doesn't come close to the Overland, Key, Rail Classic, AHM/Rivarossi cars,
which are pretty much all the same.

The red looks like the Bachman red which is way far off, that there is no
words to describe.

The roofs are charcoal, gray/brown or something I can't describe but
definitely not black. I compared the roofs to the N&W cabooses Division
Point produced if they were 

trying to do brown roofs, and they are no match.

The roof color doesn't match any N&W models ever produced that I've seen.

The under body and end are black and is very good and detailed.

Division Point has a reputation of screwing up the paint schemes, like the
N&W Blue(?) caboose and VGN caboose red.

I am looking forward to the next car, but sure hope they correct the paint.
I personally will call Ken or Jack at DP to let them know.

I give the car a 10, but the  paint a 6.

Stephen Rineair

crineair at fuse.net

 

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Just wondering, where did you buy your M1 for $396? Thanks, John
 

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Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:16:22 -0400
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org

For those that are waiting for  a correct N&W Class BEj Baggage Car (Nos.
110-124) I would recommend waiting for Division Point.

The Rail Classic N&W BEj is a very  poor rendition of the car so I dumped my
after realizing all the problems. The Division Point car should sell around
the same price of $396 as the M1 RPO.

I have not received my M1's yet and will give all my take on the red.  I
just hope they are not the hideous red as the Bachman passenger red.

Stephen 

 

 

Another heads up for the O scale VGN modeler.  Sunset is doing the VGN AE
2-10-10-2 the end of this year.

The O Scale N&W K2a Streamlined is due early 2010.

 

 

 

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