Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj

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Ed:

What is the Scalecoat item # for the PRR Tuscan Red that you use?

Stephen

 

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Harold,
 
So as we go in circles about what are the right shades for N&W colors and the ongoing problem with model manufactures using inconsistent colors when painting their models…………….
 
What I did back in the 70's when I was doing a lot of brass (and plastic) painting was to choose "my" N&W standard colors from available paints at that time. For N&W Red I used Scalecoat PRR #14 Caboose Red (Scalecoat wasn't producing N&W Red at that time) and for Pevler Blue I used Scalecoat AT&SF #24 Blue . When Scalecoat II became available both these colors were also produced in Scalecoat II.  I continue to use these Scalecoat colors as my standards for painting N&W equipment today.
 
We need to have N&W standard paints/colors for the following?
 
Passenger Red 
Roof Brown
Pevler Blue
Cab (caboose) Red
MofW Green
MofW Gray
Others?
 
So why couldn't the N&WHS Modeling Committee evaluate currently available model railroad paints and select a best matching color for each N&W color and make these the N&WHS, N&W standard colors for modeling?  We could then provide these to model manufactures………. and likewise individual modelers wers would have the knowledge to use them for custom painting. 
 
I'm sure there would still be individuals who wouldn't be happy for one reason of the another about the specific colors chosen…..but aat least there would be standards and could optimistically look forward to color consistency from model manufacturers in the future.
 
Ed Painter, Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR
 
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Subject: RE: Division Point N&W passenger cars BEj
 
Harold:
As you stated, you supplied the photo of a freshly painted M1, is the color of the roof supposed to be brown or black? 
Did DP get it correct according to your photo?   
 
Second, if you are referring to me about needing a blue version of a BEj, you should have read my post.  I need a blue version of a BMj
 
If one is painting an N&W blue locomotive, most modelers use C&O blue, SF blue, B&O blue, or dark blue.  Please note!  All of these blues are very close in the spectrum.  The reds that our society wants to consider acceptable are at one end of the red spectrum to the other.  It is common sense that we as a society can at least narrow the red spectrum.  The DP cars are on the far end of the spectrum of maroon/red/pink.  There will always be personal choices of shades of red as there are shades of the blue mentioned above.  As for a paint committee, isn’t that what the model committee is responsible for also?  Paint is part of the model.  
 
What do you suggest to be done for the next car by DP? 
 
I expect variations from manufacturers to manufacturers.  If we can get the blues schemes close to each other, why can’t we get the reds and be happy that they’re just close together?  As far as the lighting of my photos of the models, they were taken outside in natural light.  The DP photos are poor examples of the model showing shadows from dark to light.  One last thing, remember I stated that the color was my take on the model.  Other people are certainly allowed to like or dislike it as they please.
 
Stephen Rineair
 
Ed: you stated the obvious regarding the color of the red. The photo I supplied DP was of an M1 freshly painted. What red DP choose to paint the car is their business. If anyone wants to see the M1 models in a properly lit photo go to www.DivisionPoint.com. There are two photos of the painted models under the N&W heavyweight pass. car listing. Also if someone is looking for a blue version of a BEj  photo one can be found on page 5 of Jim Nichols book - N&W Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment. Any serious N&W modeler will have a copy of Jim's book and would have known that a photo of the BEj was within.  Also railway postal cars did not have "venetian blinds" but were required to have barred windows account the carrying of certified mail containing cash and other valuables.                                                                                                     Harold Davenport

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