HO N&W steam (was Re: HO Scale limited runs)

[NW Modeling List]

Thank you Marty and Ed.  And don't forget the LMB N&W 4-8-0.  This can be
found, is not too expensive, and runs well (okay; mine does).  I'm not in a
position to vouch for the accuracy.  That said....since I miss Bob Riffe
too, would anyone like a clinic on N&W and VGN brass at the next
convention??

Frank Bongiovanni

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:53 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org

> wrote:



>  Some additional brass models of N&W shifters and M-2’s:

>

> ·         *Precision Scale Models* produced a very limited run of ex-C&O,

> N&W  S-1s.  I have one that is factory painted.  This is a very accurate

> model a rare find and expensive.

>

>

>

>         These can run from $600 to $1000 if you can find one.

>

>

>

> ·         *Tenshodo/PFM* produces a *Crown *model of the C&O C-16 and N&W

> S-1.  I have 3 of these.  Some notes I found on it are be are listed below:

>

> The Chesapeake & Ohio C-16 0-8-0's were built by Baldwin in 1948, and

> served well until 1950 when they were sold to the N&W due to the new

> dieselization program. The N&W made some changes to the (now S-1) 0-8-0's

> after they bought them from the C&O. Specifically they added a second air

> pump to the fireman side, with a bump in the running board above it, and two

> smaller air tanks. In addition the left check valve was moved higher up the

> boiler and the headlight was replaced with a different type. They also

> modified the tenders to N&W design.  The HO Tenshodo brass model was

> basically well constructed and detailed, for its time, but the engine

> represented the N&W version, while the tender is the unmodified C&O version.

> The engine also had Lima, not Baldwin builders plates.  The model as sold

> was not correct for either railway’s version.

>

>         These can go from $175 to $350

> ·         Precision Scale Models produced models N&W M-2’s, M-2b’s, and

> M-2c’s.  Very fine quality, accurate models.  I have one of each.

> These can run from $600 to $1100 ·         Sunset produced a M-2.  I sold

> mine a while back.  Still a nice model.                 These can go from

> $350-$600 Ed Painter  - Narrows, VA currently living in Arkansas

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:* nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:

> nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] *On Behalf Of *NW Modeling List

> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:57 PM

> *To:* NW Modeling List

> *Subject:* HO N&W steam (was Re: HO Scale limited runs)

>

>

>

> The only non-brass N&W steam models that are correct out of the box are the

> J (Bachmann, Broadway Limited, MTH), A (Broadway Limited), Y3 (Proto), and

> Y6b (Precision Craft).  Technically, the Proto Y3 models with the footboard

> pilots are switchers; N&W mainly used them in Roanoke, Portsmouth,

> Bluefield, and other heavy switching assignments.

>

> N&W's most famous switchers were the S1's purchased from C&O, and the S1a

> copies built in Roanoke.  These were basically modernized USRA 0-8-0s, so

> you could start with either an IHC or Proto 0-8-0, and modify it to suit

> your needs.  PFM imported some S1a's, which you should be able to find for

> less than $800.00.

>

> N&W also used older 2-8-0, 4-8-0, and 4-6-0 engines in yard service.  NWSL

> imported a W2 2-8-0 which can usually be found for well below $500, and

> Sunset offered the M and M1 4-8-0s.  Bachmann Spectrum's high drivered 4-6-0

> makes a decent stand in or kitbash starting point for a V1 4-6-0.

>

>

>

> Marty Flick

>

>

>

>  ----- Original Message -----

>

> *From:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>

> *To:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>

> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 4:40 PM

>

> *Subject:* Re: HO Scale limited runs

>

>

>

> Hi all, this is my first posting hope i am doing this right.

>

> I have a question, speaking of limited runs. What are my real options for

> steam n&w locomotives? BESIDES the j, y, and a. I would like a switcher,

> because i have already have the j and just got a class a. I would like

> something to switch my yard. I have heard brass is the only real option for

> a good model, but i cannot find any around or i think it is crazy to pay 800

> plus dollars for something i need to hack to dcc  and paint myself.....

>

> Any suggestions?

>

> David

>

> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:43 PM, NW Modeling List <

> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

>

>

>

> I think the reality is that the model companies realized that the world

> changed and that to make a profit, they had to change the way they marketed

> and sold their products.  It was common for modelers to not buy the initial

> run of products but wait until the discounters offered a lower price a year

> or two later.  That action cuts into the manufacturer’s margin as it drives

> the overall market price (not cost) down on specific items and items in

> general.

>

> For instance, everyone knew that LifeLike would eventually mark down their

> remaining inventory and sell it through their discounting arm.  They were

> competing against themselves in essence.  (Dumb.)

>

>

>

> One of the reasons that the PRR owned so much stock in other railroads and

> coal  fields in the 1880-90’s and early 1900’s was to *control the freight

> rates*; railroads were undercutting each other to move coal so much that

> the profit margin was negligible for the railroad.  By being on the board of

> a railroad, the PRR men wouldn’t allow poor or risky business practices that

> would be ultimately bad for all railroads.

>

>

>

> With the model makers making limited runs, they can take control of the

> pricing again.  By limiting the production, they can reduce or eliminate the

> discounting efforts of the distributors or dealers to compete between

>  themselves.  This keeps the prices up and the resulting margins for the

> manufacturer.  For most distributors, this is a good thing.  For a ‘basement

> bomber’ whose business depends on having a lower price than anyone else, he

> will find it difficult to get inventory or get inventory at a price that

> makes it possible to him to discount effectively.

>

>

>

> This is a normal business cycle.  Mass production requires extensive

> distribution systems to get the thousands of items to thousands of buyers.

> Periodically, the manufacturer has to ‘clean up’ his distribution system and

> distribution business model to get his costs and pricing back into a

> desirable ratio.

>

>

>

> The market has changed, too.  Most of the buyers today do not want to build

> anything, paint anything or decal anything.  You can observe this at any

> model/toy train show.  The scratch building parts don’t sell, decals don’t

> sell in any volume and complex kits go unsold.

>

>

>

> Gary Rolih

>

> Cincinnati

>

>

> ________________________________________

> NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org

> To change your subscription go to

> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list

> Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at

> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/

>

>

>  ------------------------------

>

> ________________________________________

> NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org

> To change your subscription go to

> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list

> Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at

> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/

>  ------------------------------

>

> No virus found in this message.

> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11

>

>

> ________________________________________

> NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org

> To change your subscription go to

> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list

> Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at

> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/

>

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/attachments/20110119/3125b74d/attachment-0001.htm>