Tuscan color

Mon Jul 14 17:04:01 EDT 2014

Thanks Ed.  By the way, what do you use for a stripper? .  Purple Power 
seemed to work but it took a long time. 

Lee Burns

From:   NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
To:     NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>, 
Date:   07/14/2014 04:52 PM
Subject:        Re: Tuscan color
Sent by:        "NW-Modeling-List" <nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org>

A good airbrush is pretty important in achieving consistent, quality 
results when spray painting railroad models.

Ed Painter; Narrows,VA living in Dahlonega,GA

On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Edwin Painter <edwinpainter at gmail.com> wrote:

Scalecoat doesn't recommend or require priming or undercoating (white 
primer could certainly lighten or change the color of the red and possibly 
require significantly thicker coating to achieve a darker color).  I've 
not used spray cans for many years (I have an airbrush). Spray cans by 
their nature significantly lessen your control over the volume and pattern 
when spraying.  Well controlled and timed multiple, thin coats are the way 
to keep from having runs from spray painting. I've never warmed model 
railroad paints.

I'd simply made sure the cars were completely stripped and free from 
moisture of oily film, and likewise free from dust and lint.  I'd be sure 
the spray can was thoroughly shaken up and mixed.  I'd test spray the can. 
(you need good lighting)  I'd begin painting methodically spraying the 
nooks and crannies around the detailed fixtures and edges that require 
using various spray angles until they were properly covered (multiple thin 
coats) working up to 0 degree spraying of the ends, underside, and roof 
(multiple thin coats).  Depending on the model the roofs could be attached 
or removable and would be painted either black of N&W brown (here too s a 
subject of fun debate). Anyway if attached assure it too has at least a 
smooth coat of red so when coming back (after masking) to paint it a 
different color it has a good starting surface condition.

Ed Painter;  Narrows,VA living in Dahlonega,GA

On Jul 14, 2014, at 1:33 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> 
wrote:

Scalecoat II on plastic Con-Cor passenger cars.

On Jul 14, 2014, at 1:19 PM, "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> wrote:

These are brass cars?  or plastic?  Scalecoat or Scalecoat II?

Ed Painter Narrows,VA living in Dahlonega,GA 

On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:11 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> 
wrote:

Since I started all this...  I bought what turned out to be a spray can of 
Scalecoat N&W Red from my hobby shop.  I stripped the cars and sprayed 
white primer.  I think I made a huge rookie mistake warming the can of 
paint in warm tap water.  Works for enamel but not necessarily lacquer. 
(I'm assuming Scalecoat is lacquer)  My first reaction was "this is purple 
paint".  I must have applied ten light coats.  The paint is really thin 
and I have some runs which was discouraging.  I'll let them dry, sand and 
try again.  In hindsight, I would have used a darker primer and not warmed 
the paint.  I have been out of modelling a few years....   

Lee Burns 

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To:        NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>, 
Date:        07/14/2014 06:52 AM 
Subject:        Re: Tuscan color 
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Amen!  Just pick a shade of red or blue that pleases you and enjoy! 

Ed Painter - Narrows,VA living in Dahlonega,GA 

On Jul 12, 2014, at 4:10 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> 
wrote: 

The archives has informed me that we don't have color chips in the 
archives. 
Based on the discussion so far, even if we had them, it probably wouldn't 
settle this argument. 
I'm not sure anything would actually settle this argument. 
I, for one, do appreciate the guys who did chime in with the "this works 
for me" answer, that is really the best answer for the original inquirer. 
And it does appear that over the years we've learned the impact of 
lighting, time, distance, perception, weathering, and lighting. 

Frank Bongiovanni 

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:25 PM, NW Modeling List <
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 
FWIW perhaps the model committee could provide a paint chip or drift card 
to Tru-Color; I'm sure they would be glad to add N&W Tuscan to their line 
of prototypically correct model paints. 
Jim Brewer 
Glenwood MD 

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Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 3:28:14 PM
Subject: RE: Tuscan color 

Lee;

What both Frank and Ed are talking about occurs in most every society. 
Having lived in Milwaukee, WI for several years, I watched an argument 
between a pair of Milw. Rd. HS members about the correct color orange on 
their passenger cars and other equipment. One member argued that the 
second was wrong in that they were all painted the same color & shade of 
orange. The second while partially agreed, he stated that they were not 
all the same color orange, as he had seen them come out of the paint shops 
is different shades of orange, with the paint being ordered at the same 
time from the same paint mfgr., which at the time was being delivered in 
55 gal drums. The first individual continued to tell the second he was 
wrong but finally realized he had to quit arguing when the second told him 
that he was one of a half dozen employees of the Milw. Road who painted 
their equipment fleet for a living.....

That being said, the N&W Red from Scalecoat color works well, however it 
has a bit of a metallic flake to it. There are several colors I have seen 
work fairly well, including WC Maroon. Another color that has just come 
onto the market is from TruColor paints, which is very similar in nature 
to the old line of Accu-Paint. They are now offering part # TCP-276 - PRR 
1948+ Passenger Car Tuscan.

I am sure that somewhere in the archives there is a Paint ID # for the 
non-metallic red, that can be shared and closely matched with current 
commercial paints from a PPG or ICI paint dealer. I would suggest 
obtaining a small amount of said color and try to best match that color by 
primering a piece of styrene and top coating the commercial grade paint, 
and then doing the same with several colors of model rr paint and seeing 
which works best for you and you lighting situation. Keep in mind that 
some clear coats will slightly shift the tone of the color of the paint. 
Also, the color primer will yield different finish colors as well. Tamyia 
offers both a white and mild grey primer paint for example. Darker colors 
tend to pop more on a lighter base color.

Hope this helps. 

Regards,
Russ Goodwin
Buford, GA

Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 23:16:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Tuscan color
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
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Lee; what Ed is referring to is a "color flame war" that happens every 
time N&W Tuscan Red or Pevlar Blue shows up on this list.  FWIW, this also 
happens on the C&O list with Enchantment Blue, the C&O list and the NYC 
list with shades of gray, and probably just about every other model 
railroad list. 

Hopefully someone who does a lot of painting, and is pleased with the 
result, will tell you what mix works for them, and will nicely mention 
that with lighting, etc. (the etc. is half a clinic)you may have to make 
adjustments.  With that I can't help; tuff enough for us Virginian 
modelers to settle on workable yellows and black.  One thing I can tell 
you, is that Dr. Jim EuDaly (he's an eye doc, so this isn't 
fantasy)actually told us in a clinic (at a C&O meet)that color actually 
varies a bit with scale, and (I hope I got this right)you probably need a 
tad lighter mix than an HO modeler would.  I can also tell you that your 
room lighting is probably one of the most important factors.  I guess 
there's one other thing I should mention because the more experienced 
painters consider it so obvious they don't mention it: make sure the light 
where you paint is the same as the light on the layout. 

Frank Bongiovanni 

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, NW Modeling List <
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 
My favorite modeling list topic! 

Ed Painter Narrows,VA living in Dahlonega,GA 

On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:21 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> 
wrote: 

I am new member to the modeling list.  I am painting an N scale passenger 
car set and wondered what color you folks recommend to match the Tuscan 
red. 

Thank you, 

Lee Burns

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