Re: Brass N&W Class S-2 “County Car” Announcement

Sat May 6 15:29:44 EDT 2017

Thanks regarding the N scale info.

Joe Grzelak

On 5/5/2017 5:21 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
> Rivarossi did make the same 10-6 in HO scale, smooth side with smooth roof, with or without the belt rail.  I have one of each in front of me right now.  This car was originally offered under AHM.  Later they were sold by IHC, Bachmann, and Rivarossi.  This was part of the 12-car "1930s" lightweight series of cars they offered.  Rivarossi under their own name also did a series of Budd cars with corrugated sides and roofs.  There were only about 4 body types offered.  After the IHC-Rivarossi split, IHC introduced their own series of 12 lightweight cars, all with smooth roofs but with either smooth or corrugated sides.  These cars were based on corrugated cars from Pullman, including some from the TENNESSEAN.
>
> Walthers did a Pullman plan 4140 in either smooth or corrugated side. The smooth side has the belt rail running the length of the car under the windows.  This car is the N&W S2, though Walthers has never offered it painted as such.  With the vestibule to the right, the Walthers and Rivarossi 10-6s have the same number of windows in the proper order, but the spacing is slightly different: The 6 bedroom windows on the vestible end are evenly spaced on the Rivarossi, while the Walthers has a gap between the first pair and the second.  The Walthers is correct in this case.  With the vestibule to the left, the Rivarossi car has one extra window along the aisle portion of the car (closest to the vestibule), and is missing the small window right next to the vestibule (bathroom I assume?).
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> The Rivarossi 10-6 would make for a decent stand-in for an S2, or a good candidate for modifying the windows.  Putting a Budd style corrugated roof on it would not result in an exact S1 10-6, as the bedrooms and roomettes are on the wrong end.  For example, with the vestibule to the right, the Rivarossi car has 5 windows on the left (the roomettes) and 6 windows (the bedrooms) to the right and a small window next to the vestibule.  The S1's had 6 windows to the left and 5 windows to the right, plus the small window next to the vestibule.
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> Below are some answers to a couple of other questions in this thread.
>
>> What was the Pullman plan number for these cars?
> The three S2 County cars were Pullman Plan 4140.
>
>> Any suggestions for N scale?
> Walthers offered the same 4140 10-6 in N scale as they did in HO.  They did not do N&W, and they are currently sold out, but can probably be found on the second hand market.
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> Marty Flick
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>>> On May 4, 2017, at 4:24 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Roger:
>>>
>>> Thank you!  That pre-dates when I started accumulating that model, which explains why I never saw one.  "Never say never!"
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> NOPE! I have 2 of the AHM/Rivarossi 10-6 cars from when I was a kid. I think I picked them up at Woolworths probably around 1961-63. They are both smooth sided cars and they both have a distinct belt rail running below the windows panels.These cars have had the roof sections replaced with Con-Cor Budd fluted roof replacement pieces.
>>>
>>> I also have some AHM/Rivarossi 10-6 cars without the belt rails. They still have the stock roof.......ACF, P-S or whatever they came with.
>>>
>>> I do not like, own or desire anything with corrugated sides. Those type cars just remind me of NYC stuff. lol
>>>
>>> Everything passenger is still packed away from my retirement and move. My new train building was erected Tuesday so hopefully my goodies will be unpacked soon. I will try to get some pictures and post them here to show what I'm talking about.
>>>
>>> Roger Huber
>>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
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>>> Subject: Re: Brass N&W Class S-2 “County Car” Announcement
>>>
>>> Roger:
>>>
>>> I've never seen a HO Rivarossi/AHM 10-6 that was other than the smooth-side ACF prototype.  However, after AHM morphed into IHC, the 10-6 changed to a Budd prototype with corrugated sides and the unique Budd roof.  Might that be what you're remembering?
>>>
>>> I do have a Rivarossi/AHM 10-6 that the previous owner had modified by adding a belt rail, but that was "home brew."
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dave Phelps
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:57 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>> If I remember right AHM had 2 different cars. One 10-6 had the belt rail down the side and was correct for the S-1 class sleepers if you added the Con-Cor fluted Budd roof they sold (sell?). The vestibule was on the correct end for those cars. The other 10-6 was wrong as the vestibule was on the wrong end. I don't remember anything about window placement or quantity.
>>>
>>> Roger Huber
>>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>>>
>>>
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>>> Any suggestions for N scale?
>>> Joe Grzelak
>>>
>>> On 5/3/2017 9:39 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>>>> The Rivarossi/AHM car is not correct, as the prototype is ACF rather than Pullman Standard. There is one aisle window too many.  BTW: the County cars were delivered in Pennsy red. I saw them. It is possible that they later got N&W Tuscan, but the original paint was Pennsy.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 3:25 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>>>> For reference, here are photos of one of my Rivarossi N&W 10-6 Pullmans, "Virginia Polytechnic Institute". Both sides of the car are shown.
>>>> Lois J.Ponton
>>>> N&W steam historian
>>>>
>>>> Moderator:
>>>> http://www.nwhs.org/ mailinglist/2017/20170503_ 163555-1.jpg <http://www.nwhs.org/mailinglist/2017/20170503_163555-1.jpg>
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