new subject Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)
NW Modeling List
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Sun Oct 27 21:32:21 EDT 2019
Thank you for your response and knowledge. I will try a couple of
'bashes in the near future.
On 10/27/2019 5:32 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
> Walter: If you have the IHC baggage-mail, it is almost a "ringer" for
> the N&W BMf (1200-1221 series) A few detail changes, mainly to the
> roof and underbody boxes, would make it an even better match. The IHC
> observation appears to be a model of a Pullman room and observation
> car. You would need several window changes to do any of the N&W cars,
> but this is probably the best observation available as a starting point.
> The Claytor Lake (500) or the Lafayette (700) probably would be the
> easiest to kitbash. In addition to the window work, you would need to
> put a roof bubble on one side of the 700 and on both sides of the 500.
> All the original N&W business cars were extensively rebuilt in the mid
> 1950's, but prior to that time they looked similar to the 500 and the
> 700. Any of them would need window work and roof bubbles. See if you
> can find photos. The N&WHS archives is a good place to look.
>
> The IHC 12-1 Pullman could be painted as several N&W Pullmans
> (Cuttyhunk, Galax, Lowry, Sunstar Rose, Vulcan).. None of the other
> IHC cars comes close enough to justify a kitbash, although the baggage
> car might be passed off as a BEn (1346-1350 series).
>
> Changing windows takes careful work. I have gotten pretty good at it.
> Basically, You cut windows from your donor body (cut oversize and sand
> or file to the finished size), cut and file out the place you want to
> graft it, fit in place and apply liquid plastic cement by capillary
> action.The panels between windows may be cut from the donor body the
> same way, or can be made of sheet styrene. If you do the 500 or the
> 700, you wouldn't need to sacrifice a donor body, as the windows on
> these two cars were the more modern sealed window sashes. Graft in
> sheet styrene and cut out new window openings. The 100, 101, 102, 200
> and 300 were later rebuilt with sealed windows on welded sides; but if
> you model them prior to rebuilding, you would use windows from a donor
> body.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Jim Nichols
>
> On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 08:45:57 AM CDT, NW Modeling List
> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> I have 2 complete sets of 8 heavyweight IHC cars. Which car should I
> try to model with the 2 observation cars? Are there other cars that
> could kit-bashed from the rest of the cars in the IHC sets, also? You
> don't see many of the N&W heavyweights modeled at all. I did pick up
> the 3 Virginian paired window coach models from Atlas that were just
> released. I guess they will do a quick run-through the main station
> scene behind a Train Master just because I have them (when that area
> of the layout is completed). And since I have you for a couple of
> minutes, do you or someone in the group know how close the the
> Virginian Berkshire is to the models of the C&O or NKP on the market
> now. Also, I did not see any Pacifics in the Prince book, so are any
> of the Virginian Mikados based on USRA standards? Too many questions,
> I know, and I apologize for taking so much of your time. Thank you for
> the help.
>
> So much to know and so little time to learn and apply it.
>
> Walter Davis, modelling the N&W in Youngsville, NC
>
>
> On 10/25/2019 11:48 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>> N&W's heavyweight observations were business cars. At least this was
>> true of the open platform cars. The exception was a group of 10
>> section-lounge Pullmans which had solarium ends and ran on the
>> Pocahontas after all the other heavyweight Pullmans had been replaced
>> by the S1's. The business cars were eventually rebuilt with round
>> roofs, welded sides and sealed windows. In the 1964 merger, they got
>> the City of Lafayette from the Wabash, as well as the Claytor Lake.
>> So far as I know, none of these have ever been offered commercially.
>> Your starting points for kitbashing are few. The old Rivarossi/AHM
>> obs would be my choice, since you can get them fairly cheap. The
>> Athearn car is shorter, and the thick sides create problems with
>> window glazing. For a few dollars more the Bachmann PRR style car
>> might be a good choice. Finally, IHC did an open platform car with a
>> similar construction to the AHM car, but these generally sell for a
>> higher price. (Both are out of production) In any case, you want at
>> least two bodies so you can use one as a source of windows.
>>
>> I have not done any of the open platform cars, but I have done the 10
>> section solarium lounge a few times, starting with the old
>> Rivarossi/AHM 12-1 Pullman, cutting the sides off the body,
>> rearranging side parts and grafting windows from the donor body. I
>> have also done one starting with the Branchline 14 section car and
>> grafting windows from a donor body. This was more expensive, but the
>> Branchline kit is much better detailed.Since it is a flat kit, you
>> don't have to cut the sides off at the beginning. They are already
>> separate. I kitbash the Branchline cars only because I have been able
>> to buy a supply of them on ebay at low prices.
>>
>> Tell me which car you would like to model, and I will try to outline
>> a step by step process to do it.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>>
>> On Friday, October 25, 2019, 12:23:36 PM CDT, NW Modeling List
>> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Seeing this picture of the Memphis Special reminded me that I don't
>> know if anyone has produced a model in HO of N&W heavyweight
>> observations or tail end cars. MTH has done a great job with the
>> light weight car but I don't recall Walther's or anyone else who has
>> produced the heavy weight car. If not produced, has anyone kit
>> bashed one that they could share some pictures and modeling tips with me.
>>
>> Walter Davis
>>
>> Modeling N&W in Youngsville, NC
>>
>>
>> On 10/25/2019 2:14 AM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>>> A much better, and color view is from N&WHS site
>>>
>>> https://www..nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=90149
>>>
>>> A non-N&W drumhead at Bristol
>>>
>>> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=94056
>>>
>>> Last run of Pocahontas with wooden tail sign
>>> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=64418
>>>
>>> Ken Miller
>>>
>>>> On permail/nw-modeling-list/
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