More Virginian questions about passenger service

Mon Nov 4 18:45:26 EST 2019

Frank I have a 6 pack of Bowser VGN hoppers to sell you with archbar trucks. Don't worry these cars won't go off-line.BTW: I purchased a set of O scale Weaver N&W passenger cars last Saturday in Parma. They are 3 rail but I can convert them. Look pretty good to me but I'll bet the proto police could find things wrong with them. Jim Kehn  -----Original Message-----
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I believe it was January 1956.  If memory serves one of the regulatory bodies required Virginian to run "one more year" with an air conditioned coach (?) that they had to borrow from N&W.  VGN didn't have an air conditioned passenger car.  Ridership remained so low that the railroad was permitted to discontinue the last  two (#'s 3 and 4?). The distance those two trains was reduced step by step during the 1950's, and well before that the minimal other passenger service on the line had been discontinued.
A wiser modeler than I once suggested to me that the easiest base for a Virginian PA was to start with a Bachman USRA light(?)mountain; I think he said that if you took one section out of that boiler you'd end up with something very close to the VGN PA. Again, IIRC.
So in theory, if I'm modeling October 1956, when the first ELCs arrived, I don't need the three VGN coaches I just bought.  Right.
Frank Bongiovanni

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 12:27 PM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Passenger service was gone long before the merger with N&W.
Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works 

    On Monday, November 4, 2019, 07:18:36 AM CST, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  

   Thank you Jim.  Did passenger service end at the merger? Walter Davis, Youngsville, NC
  On 11/3/2019 7:26 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:

  The Virginian Pacifics bore no relation to USRA Pacifics, although I have kitbashed them starting from a USRA light Pacific. Drivers are too tall and boiler needs to be heavier. I overlooked the driver problem, but kitbashed a heavier boiler. The Pacifics lasted till the end of Virginian passenger service, so there was no transition to diesels. However they did get two Fairbanks Morse 16,000 HP diesels with steam generators (presumably so they could handle  the business cars on special moves. 
  Jim Nichols 
      On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 06:13:52 PM CST, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  

     Were any of the Virginian Pacifics based on USRA heavy (or light Pacifics)?  I found it interesting that the BA was only used in fast freight service.  What did they use for passenger service in the 1950's?  If not Pacifics, what early diesels were used and when did they switch from steam.  I could probably find most of these answers on the web site or in one of the books about the railroad, but the answers I get  from the members are more than information, they are experience - far more valuable.  Thanks in advance for your help.
  Walter Davis, Youngsville, NC

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