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Z1b
I have seen one done from an Akane 2-6-6-2, from the way back.
Bill
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> Subject: Re: Z1B
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> Hi Greg;
>
> HO scale kitbashing of a N&W Z1b 2-6-6-2.
>
> There are several possible starting points.
>
> * Spectrum USRA 2-6-6-2. Please note that the Spectrum has offered USRA
> (C&O H5) and C&O H4 versions. The former have Baker valve gear like our
> N&W locomotives, the latter (H4) have Walschaerts valve gear. Advantages
> it is a 2-6-6-2, right size drivers, about the right size. I think that
> the most visible detail to add is the Worthington BL4 feedwater heater on
> the fireman's (left) side, with the dual air pumps on the engineer's
> (right) side. Photos required for just about all the other details, and
> Z1b were rebuilt from Z/Z1 locomotives, and all are slightly different, and
> vary over time.
> * P2K 2-8-8-2 Y3a (N&W version); need to figure out how to convert the
> mechanism to 2-6-6-2. Already has the BL4 and pumps, correct sized drivers
> and Baker valve gear.
> * Oriental Limited Powerhouse, need to figure out how to convert the
> mechanism to 2-6-6-2. Already has the BL4 and pumps, correct sized drivers
> and Baker valve gear. The Powerhouse model has a solid die-cast boiler,
> extensive cutting and re-joining required, probably easier to fab and new
> one.
> * Oriental Limited Powerhouse or P2K 2-8-8-2 USRA version, lacks the BL4.
> * I am not aware of any other "low" cost options with close to the correct
> driver diameter. The Mantua 2-6-6-2 is a much smaller locomotive with 50"
> drivers.
> You also have to decide which tender you want to use - pictures are
> required for accuracy.
>
> A bit of history: the N&W Z/Z1 was a copy of the C&O 2-6-6-2, the N&W Y2
> 2-8-8-2 was an enlarged version of the Z/Z1. The USRA 2-8-8-2 was based on
> the N&W Y2 with some improvements, and was classed Y3 on the N&W. The USRA
> 2-6-6-2 was a shrunken version of the USRA 2-8-8-2. The C&O classed the
> USRA 2-6-6-2 as H5; the C&O preferred their own H4 with Walschaerts valve
> gear to the H5.
>
> My plan is to use the Spectrum USRA 2-6-6-2 as the basis of my project; I
> have been gathering pictures and other resources for awhile, but that is as
> far as I have gotten. So much to do, so little time to do it.
>
> Nigel Misso
>
>
> > On 07/11/2020 6:39 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I've been trying to find a PSC Z1b for years and it seems they are
> made of unobtainium.
> > One did show up on a sale site this AM but was gone in 3 minutes!
> >
> > I've almost resolved myself to bashing one but I'm no steam expert.
> My strong point is bashing diesels into prototype models but I have never
> attempted to kit bash a steam locomotive, mainly because I don't know the
> commercial availability of all of the detail parts and I don't have the
> understanding of what all of the components do and an eye for "right"
> versus N&W diesels.
> >
> > Has anyone on the list attempted to kit bash a Z1b? Any
> recommendations for a novice with a very different modeling skill set?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Greg Davis
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> Subject: Re: Waynesboro VA
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> Excellent modeling Jim Brewer! The scenes are beautiful.
>
> Andre Jackson
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> On Friday, July 10, 2020, 8:53 PM, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> All
> If the moderator has permitted, attached are three photos of my layout.?
> This is the final section to be built and represents Waynesboro, VA.? The
> C&O crossed over N&W here, there was a N&W yard, with a turntable,?and
> interchange with C&O.? There were many industries in the area on the north
> and south belt lines. Additionally, N&W served the DuPont plant and other
> on-line industries.
> The N&W and C&O depots, and surrounding areas, are all scratchbuilt.?
> Likewise, the houses are scratchbuilt and represent what is/was there to be
> best that can be determined.
> I have visited this area several times; however, most of the on-line
> industries, except for Dupont, have been gone a long time; there are
> remnants of the industries on the Belt lines (the C&O Freight House is
> still standing); I would be interested?in any photographs of the area,
> particularly as they relate to those industries served by N&W.? I know
> there was a large coal trestle and team track area that is to the north and
> west of the N&W depot; there were also some industries south of the depot
> and I would love to find out more about them.
> Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
> Jim BrewerGlenwood MD________________________________________
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> Subject: Re: Z1B
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> Do not start with any 2-8-8-2. Despite what Nigel says, the USRA 2-6-6-2
> is not a shrunken USRA 2-8-8-2. Boiler of the 2-8-8-2 is much larger, and
> the firebox is entirely different. The USRA 2-6-6-2 is similar in size? to
> the C&O 2-6-6-2, and thus similar to the N&W Z1. The valve gear and piston
> valves on the front engine make it a good starting point for a Z1b.
> Jim Nichols On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 05:09:00 PM CDT, NW Modeling
> List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg;
>
> HO scale kitbashing of a N&W Z1b 2-6-6-2.
> There are several possible starting points.
>
> - Spectrum USRA 2-6-6-2.? Please note that the Spectrum has offered
> USRA (C&O H5) and C&O H4 versions.? The former have Baker valve gear like
> our N&W locomotives, the latter (H4) have Walschaerts valve gear.?
> Advantages it is a 2-6-6-2, right size drivers, about the right size.? I
> think that the most visible detail to add is the Worthington BL4 feedwater
> heater on the fireman's (left) side, with the dual air pumps on the
> engineer's (right) side.? Photos required for just about all the other
> details, and Z1b were rebuilt from Z/Z1 locomotives, and all are slightly
> different, and vary over time.
> - P2K 2-8-8-2 Y3a (N&W version); need to figure out how to convert the
> mechanism to 2-6-6-2.? Already has the BL4 and pumps, correct sized drivers
> and Baker valve gear.
> - Oriental Limited Powerhouse,? need to figure out how to convert the
> mechanism to 2-6-6-2.? Already has the BL4 and pumps, correct sized drivers
> and Baker valve gear. The Powerhouse model has a solid die-cast boiler,
> extensive cutting and re-joining required, probably easier to fab and new
> one.
> - Oriental Limited Powerhouse or P2K 2-8-8-2 USRA version, lacks the
> BL4.
> - I am not aware of any other "low" cost options with close to the
> correct driver diameter.? The Mantua 2-6-6-2 is a much smaller locomotive
> with 50" drivers.
> You also have to decide which tender you want to use - pictures are
> required for accuracy.
> A bit of history: the N&W Z/Z1 was a copy of the C&O 2-6-6-2, the N&W
> Y2 2-8-8-2 was an enlarged version of the Z/Z1.? The USRA 2-8-8-2 was based
> on the N&W Y2 with some improvements, and was classed Y3 on the N&W.? The
> USRA 2-6-6-2 was a shrunken version of the USRA 2-8-8-2.? The C&O classed
> the USRA 2-6-6-2 as H5; the C&O preferred their own H4 with Walschaerts
> valve gear to the H5.
> My plan is to use the Spectrum USRA 2-6-6-2 as the basis of my project;
> I have been gathering pictures and other resources for awhile, but that is
> as far as I have gotten.? So much to do, so little time to do it.
> Nigel Misso
>
> On 07/11/2020 6:39 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
> All,
> I've been trying to find a PSC Z1b for years and it seems they are made
> of unobtainium. One did show up on a sale site this AM but was gone in 3
> minutes!
> I've almost resolved myself to bashing one but I'm no steam expert. My
> strong point is bashing diesels into prototype models but I have never
> attempted to kit bash a steam locomotive, mainly because I don't know the
> commercial availability of all of the detail parts and I don't have the
> understanding of what all of the components do and an eye for "right"
> versus N&W diesels.?
> Has anyone on the list attempted to kit bash a Z1b? Any recommendations
> for a novice with a very different modeling skill set?
> Thanks,
> Greg Davis ________________________________________
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