EXTERNAL: Re: HO scale decals (NW Modeling List)

Fri Sep 25 14:36:15 EDT 2020

Eric,

I think this would be an excellent virtual clinic via Zoom.  I've been
participating in the Hindsight 2020 virtual Prototype Modelers meets and
enjoy the format very much.  I believe NWHS has a Zoom account but i don't
know any of the specifics.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:13 PM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Very impressive decals. I noticed the CM cabooses had virtually no visible
> film. Unfortunately I often have trouble obtaining and sending my emails so
> the idea of using that program to make any needed decals would never work
> for me. My computer skills are almost nil.
>
> Sure wish you could print decals for others as you stated about MS wanting
> 200 sheets. Everyone talks about how they make their own signs and decals
> on their home printers but it's over my head.
>
> Roger Huber
> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 10:45:11 AM CDT, NW Modeling List via
> NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> I’d like to inject a completely new line of discussion into this Decals
> thread…
>
>
>
> I’ve been making my own decals now for about 2 years.  I’ve done sets for
> 350 different projects, although I’ve only managed to pump about 95
> projects through my painters.so far.  Jim Abbott at Highball Graphics (
> https://highballgraphics.com/) does all my printing; I do all my own
> artwork, although I do make a lot of use of Railfont’s products (
> www.railfonts.com).  Jim requires that all artwork be done in Corel
> Draw.  This is very expensive in the full commercial license version, but
> can be found in the academic version (without commercial rights) very
> reasonably.  The learning curve on Corel is absolutely fierce, but the
> capabilities are absolutely amazing.
>
>
>
> Everybody in the Society could be making their own custom decals for
> whatever projects they want, not waiting more than a week or so for
> turnaround.
>
>
>
> I’ve attached a few .jpgs so folks can see some of what’s possible.  These
> end up being much lower resolution than the decals; I routinely make
> magnifying glass-readable builders plates (with correct builder’s numbers
> and build dates for the specific road number I’m modeling), many of which
> you can see in up-scales sizes on the “Logos” sheet.  The “Logos” sheet is
> intended to show what kinds of artwork Corel enables and Highball can
> print.  The “Sumpter Valley” sheet is one of my recent project sheets that
> include a number of specific projects, some decal test prints to verify
> sizing of some critical dimensions, and some test prints for color matching
> once the decals are laid on specific paint colors.  (Yeah, I know, my
> interests are literally all over the map.)  The models shown are all done
> with my decals.  See if you think the capability to do these things,
> whenever you need them done, feels attractive.  The printed decals are
> sharper than Microscale’s screen printed decals (these are all laser
> printed for the 5-color decals, ALPS printed for gold and silver decals),
> but they are printed on Microscale’s excellent paper—decals are very
> thin-film.  Highball prints a 5-color, 8.5” x 11” (7.5” x 10” printable)
> sheet for $35, or a gold or silver 8.5” x 11” (7.5” x 9.5” printable) sheet
> for $40.  Shipping is $4, no matter how many sheets you order at a time.
> Here’s the best part:  Highball does not have any minimum order, other than
> a half-sheet at a time, whereas Microscale’s minimum is, last time I
> checked, 200 identical decal sets.
>
>
>
> I’ll note that I’ve bought bunches of Bill Moesteller’s VGN decals, and
> they are excellent.  I did the VGN ones on the “Sumpter Valley” sheet
> because I hate asking my painters to piece together road numbers, and
> because Bill’s EL sets don’t include the white “SAFETY FIRST” lettering on
> the front of the units under the cab.  *When I’m trying to duplicate what
> I see in a specific photo, commercially available sets often just don’t do
> what I want.*
>
>
>
> No, I do not want to do this kind of work commercially.
>
>
>
> I could, if there’s interest, give a presentation to Society members via
> Zoom on how to get started in doing all this for yourselves.  I would need
> somebody in the Society to set up the Zoom session for however many folks
> are interested.
>
>
>
> I’m not trying to deflate the Society’s market for the cool decals that
> are being considered.  But no matter how zealous the Society gets in
> producing these things, they just will not cover everybody’s interests, and
> they will rarely print exactly the road numbers everybody wants, meaning
> that they will still be left piecing together road numbers for headlights,
> domes, cabs, etc.  There is no need to put up with any such issues.
>
>
>
> -Eric Bott
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> *On Behalf
> Of *NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 20:22
> *To:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> *Cc:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: HO scale decals (NW Modeling List)
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>
>
> The Spirit of Roanoke lettering shouldn't take up much room either. Is
> that the only thing added to the latest incarnation of the 611?
>
>
>
> Roger Huber
>
> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 08:12:22 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> What a great set of decals this is going to be.  Please announce them as
> soon as we can pre-order them.
>
> Walter Davis, Youngsville, NC
>
> On 9/24/2020 12:57 PM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List wrote:
>
> Actually this set has been slowly brewing for quite some time. Years ago I
> purchased the art that Roanoke Rails used to produce their J set. Ken and I
> have been gathering information for years.
>
> I am paying close attention to the comments to see what is needed in
> addition to the obvious lettering. Again, Ken and I have worked on many
> prototype lettering projects including cabooses, freight cars, passenger
> cars, and locomotives, both diesel and steam. The Class J number 611 is
> probably our most famous project.
>
> Small items like class plates don't take much space so there should be
> plenty of those.
>
> As previously stated, The Spirit of Roanoke lettering will not be included
> in this set. The era of this set will be up to 1959.
>
> The set will be offered in HO, N, and O Scale.
>
> Richard D. Shell
> ShellScale Decals
>
>
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>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
> And there are those worms I was worrying about.  LOL.  You will notice I
> did not mention the current excursion lettering in my original post, so you
> can guess how I feel about it.  Even the items I mentioned from the 90's
> are very limiting, the Forgive Them Lord sticker only being on her for a
> few hours.
>
>
>
> Seriously though, I'm mostly just trying to encourage conversation and
> feedback for what people are interested in for the set.  Unless I
> misunderstood, this is not a set that is already in development but is
> essentially starting new right now, and both representatives from
> Shellscale and NWHS who are working on the decal are partaking in this
> conversation.  This seems an excellent opportunity for anyone with interest
> in this set to speak up about something they would like to see, even if it
> doesn't make it onto the final decal set.  So if there is some data or
> lettering size that hasn't been done right or available at all in the past,
> now is the time to comment.
>
>
>
> Regardless, sounds like it is going to be a great and much welcomed set.
>
>
>
> Now if only we could get an accurate set for NRHS and other excursion
> cars... ;)
>
>
>
> Marty Flick
>
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> Subject: Re: HO scale decals (NW Modeling List)
>
> Jim:
>
> Richard Shell and I both despise the “phrase” under the cab for its
> historical inaccuracy, and we both agree it will not be part of any set we
> do.
>
> Ken Miller
>
> > On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:56 AM, NW Modeling List
> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >
> > My two cents is the excursion stuff should not be included in the set;
> I'd prefer a historically accurate set for steam era service. I would
> imagine VMT or whoever owns 611 would want some money in exchange for using
> their marketing phrase.
> >
> > Jim Brewer
>
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