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I was part of NKP Car in the beginning. I wondered if the roof we did for the NKP 80 series and HW diners would work in this case. I looked downstairs and I do have a few of those left. I do not remember what company made them for us. I want to say it was Northeastern. I also think that we paid for the tooling, but have no idea what has become of it.
- Jim Mihalek
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1. Re: Coach roofs (NW Modeling List)
2. Passenger Car Ends (NW Modeling List)
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4. Re: Coach roofs (NW Modeling List)
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Subject: Re: Coach roofs
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Re arch roofs, PG streamline roofs, etc. --
1) The RMC article on the streamline roof PG was in the 10/89 issue. A prequel article appeared in the 9/88 Arrow. Since the PG roof has a taller profile than the usual lightweight passenger car roof, the Northeastern wood roof required fillers at its bottom edges to bring it to proper height.
2) Turtleback arch roofs in cast resin have been sporadically available in the past, but I came up blank from previous suppliers such as NKP Car, Tom Madden, etc. in a recent search involving a different project; what was previously available in limited runs is now no longer available. I didn't check for 3D-printed at Shapeways -- maybe a possibility. I have done the cutting and splicing of an Athearn blue-box coach roof; it's a very good solution if you can find cars reasonably priced at a train show. On eBay the Athearn coaches seem to be going for $12 or so -- not an economical solution, especially if you need two of them. Bethlehem Car Works catalogs a very nice styrene turtleback roof (their part #25). Note that turtlebacks tended to vary in depth between 2'0" and 2'6" depending on the prototype; BCW's is the shallower 2'0" depth, but a workable solution for a 2'6" prototype if it's the only game in town.
Regards,
Bob Chapman
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Bethlehem Car Works catalogs an assortment of heavyweight car ends -- their part #'s are 22A through 22D. If you don't see what you need there, another source is cutting ends from surplus Rivarossi carbody hulks, if you happen to have some lying around; the Riv carbodies featured several different styles.
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Bob Chapman
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Subject: Re: Coach roofs
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Roger,
The roof in 1704 is from a Pullman Core Kit by Eastern Car Works; it is too
wide for the Branchline car; narrowing it by cutting a section lengthwise
out of the middle would mess up the curvature of the roof.
I did a search in the archives for roof drawings of the PG coaches when
modernized but couldn't identify anything useful; I thought if I could get
a drawing perhaps I could get the roof 3-D printed.
Jim Brewer
On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:22 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
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> I got an extra walther's round roof for a similar project. It's too long
> and I don't know what to do about the car end yet.
>
> You might also need new car ends, because I think those are also different
> so you can run the roof to the car end?
>
> If anyone figures out how to do this I'd love to hear.
>
> David Baker
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 9:33 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Jim: I have used the Northeastern roof with Rivarossi coach body
>> successfully doing a couple of BPd's. You might consider the Rivarossi
>> route (ala Chapman). The stock body is one window short, so you must
>> splice; but the windows are tall (whereas the Branchline ones are not tall
>> enough, and can't be modified).
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>>
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 05:50:27 PM CST, NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am faced with the same dilemma as Roger; I need to build a few coaches
>> for Trains No. 1 and 2 that look like this:
>>
>> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=184803
>>
>> My plan is to use the Branchline coaches but the roof is a problem; I
>> looked at using a plastic roof from a core kit, but it is too wide (see
>> photo 1704). My next thought was to use the Northeastern Scale Lumber
>> "streamline roof", part no. 702,
>> https://northeasternscalelumber.com/shop/railroad-car-parts.html?page=3,
>> and as shown in photo 1705. As is, the roof will not sit down inside the
>> sides of the car; but it may fit with the deepening the "groove" (see 1707)
>> so that it sits down inside of the sides.
>>
>> I am open to any and all suggestions.
>>
>> Jim Brewer
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 11:23 PM NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Roundhouse Harriman cars are an option. See this suggestion in an article
>> for a turtle top SR car:
>>
>> http://www.srha.net/documents/Heavyweight_Diner_rebuild_article.pdf
>>
>> Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 3:25 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Thar's a tough one. My best suggestion is to consider the round roof
>> Athearn coach. Not the best contour, but I can't think of anything closer
>> that is available. You would need to splice some from an extra roof. In the
>> past I have started with a celestory roof and use the same technique for
>> adding "bubbles." Just do the bubbles for the entire length.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>>
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020, 05:35:15 AM CST, NW Modeling List via
>> NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I need to built some PG coaches with the "turtle?" roofs. Does anyone
>> know of commercial roof stock or roof kits that will replicate these?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Roger Huber
>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
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Bob Chapman's article about building a modernized Pg coach is in the NWHS Newsletter Sep-Oct 1988, vol 4 number 5. He used two IHC "1920" Rivarossi coaches, cutting and splicing them to get the correct body length from 19 to 20 windows. He removed the mullions from the windows. The ends were cut away before gluing the two sections together. The new ends were cut the width of the carbody from .020 styrene leaving excess material above the sides for cutting the wood passenger car roof stock to the correct roof profile. The roof of the prototype Pg has a deeper section than the Northeastern roof stock. This can be corrected by gluing 1/16" x 1/16" fillers in the notches in the roof stock, then gluing a section of Northeastern floor stock to the underside of the roof to replace the notches just filled in. Then cut/file the ends to match the roof. The length of the wood roof is cut to fit between the new ends. The letterboards on the IHC Rivarossi do not have enough depth. He removed t
he horizontal rivet strip at the top of the car and cemented on new letterboards made from .010" x .156" To me this would give you the heavyweight coach with flush ends used in the consist of N&W 1 & 2.
To model the turtle roof, I would suggest BCW plastic roof and end caps. I do not see them on BCW's website now, so I would suggest you call or email John and tell him what you need. BCW has several styles of car ends as well in their Kit Bits line. MDC roof pieces are Harriman profile and not quite correct for N&W. It was easy to get them when MDC was still in business, but I suspect hard to find now. My notes don't include all the details in Bob Chapman's article.
--Rick Morrison
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Subject: Re: Coach roofs
I am faced with the same dilemma as Roger; I need to build a few coaches for Trains No. 1 and 2 that look like this:
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=184803
My plan is to use the Branchline coaches but the roof is a problem; I looked at using a plastic roof from a core kit, but it is too wide (see photo 1704). My next thought was to use the Northeastern Scale Lumber "streamline roof", part no. 702, https://northeasternscalelumber.com/shop/railroad-car-parts.html?page=3, and as shown in photo 1705. As is, the roof will not sit down inside the sides of the car; but it may fit with the deepening the "groove" (see 1707) so that it sits down inside of the sides.
I am open to any and all suggestions.
Jim Brewer
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 11:23 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
Roundhouse Harriman cars are an option. See this suggestion in an article for a turtle top SR car:
http://www.srha.net/documents/Heavyweight_Diner_rebuild_article.pdf
Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone
On Nov 26, 2020, at 3:25 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
?
Thar's a tough one. My best suggestion is to consider the round roof Athearn coach. Not the best contour, but I can't think of anything closer that is available. You would need to splice some from an extra roof. In the past I have started with a celestory roof and use the same technique for adding "bubbles." Just do the bubbles for the entire length.
Jim Nichols
On Thursday, November 26, 2020, 05:35:15 AM CST, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
I need to built some PG coaches with the "turtle?" roofs. Does anyone know of commercial roof stock or roof kits that will replicate these?
Thanks
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
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