NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 232, Issue 35

Sun Apr 24 21:36:15 EDT 2022

Wow, I think I jumped on a fast train to nowhere! Everyone makes valid
points pro and con brass vs. plastic, BLI etc. To each his own; *Modeling
Railroading Is Fun.*

Now I will stick my neck out and venture a truth: neither BLI nor Rapido,
nor any other manufacturer, will ever produce an M, M2, Y4, Y5 or Y6.

And from experience: brass locomotives are finicky, but last a long time;
BLI models are very nice, but have a spotty record for functioning and
repairs. Everyone will have their own experience, but BLI locos will not be
functioning over many years. My Sunset M motors on.

And for the record, the late Claud Abernathy and I put together perhaps the
most extensive package of data on the Class M series for Sunset to produce
in O two rail. We tried very hard to get Mr. Mann to also produce an HO
series, in brass of course, but he declined. He didn't think the market
would support it. He was probably right.

Just a thought: I am building two C&O passenger cars using 3-D printed
sides that are beautiful pieces of work. And the COHS plans to do more car
types not otherwise available. Perhaps there could be a market for parts
and pieces to convert models to other classes, etc. Again, just a thought.
We have only scratched the surface of 3D printing.

Peace and model on!
Bill

*Bill McClure*
*www.billmcclure.smugmug.com* <http://www.billmcclure.smugmug.com>

*www.mcclureimages.com <http://www.mcclureimages.com>*

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> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: BLI Y-6 wishes
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> Good for you! As a doctor I'm sure you have enough money to buy $800-1,200
> brass ones that don't wiggle.
> The BLI and AHM/Rivarossi articulateds were designed for the average
> modelers who must live with ridiculously tight curves. Try a KEY Y-4 on
> 18-22"r and see what happens.?
> I appreciate your thoughts and you are 100% right about these drives being
> wrong. That's just not how an articulated works. Abomonation? I don't think
> so. They were created to sell engines to guys that can operate them. They
> run well and serve the purpose.
> As a very young modeler I returned home from a trip watching N&W steam to
> find my local hobby shop had the "new" Y-6b models. I had saved my grass
> cutting money and forked over the huge sum, for me, of $19.99 for one. I
> took it home and put it on my 18" layout and it ran like a dream. That's
> what AHM/Rivarossi was after.
> I think people miss the whole point with our model trains that, first and
> foremost, they are simply toys with electric motors! Some are on the high
> end like the brass stuff but in the end they are toys. We generally do not
> buy nor want museum quality models as they would be too expensive and
> wouldn't operate well if everything were 100% to scale. Look at the excess
> detail on PSC A & Y models. Making them run reliably is difficult with all
> the fine details around the wheels. That stuff is beautiful but not
> practical on a layout which will have derailments bending and causing
> shorts.
> My 2?.
> Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works
>
>     On Saturday, April 23, 2022, 07:25:01 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>   I've watched this thread go on and on, and I? finally can't stand it
> anymore.? I have not bought,? and will never buy a BLI articulated, of they
> can't/won't get the articulation right.? The Rivarossi floating rear engine
> isn't necessary and even it the driver and flange sizes are better, it's
> still a glaring abomination.? They will never get my money if they can't
> make a proper engine.? Perhaps if they offered an M, since that is a solid
> frame engine, I would consider it.? But I will never buy a Y6a, or a Y6, or
> a Y5 from them if they insist on perpetuating an incorrect drive mechanism.?
> Dr. J. Brent Greer?
>
> Dr. J. Brent GreerFrom: NW-Modeling-List <
> nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Modeling List via
> NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2022 11:50 AM
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> Subject: Re: BLI Y-6 wishes?I?ll join the list of those having suggested
> BLI do an Y-6/Y-6a. If I recall correctly, I emailed them shortly after
> they announced their Y-6b.
> I noted that the Y-6?s and Y-6a?s outnumbered the B?s by nearly 3-to-1 on
> the N&W. And living about 15 miles from the prototype 2156 at the time, I
> even volunteered to measure/photograph it for them.
> Their emailed answer to me?was, boiled down, thanks but no thanks. I took
> some solace in their at least getting the driver diameter correct, unlike
> the ancient Rivarossi model. LOL.
> Andre Jackson
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
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>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 3:31 PM, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>
> Certainly Broadway LTD has not been hampered in producing Pennsylvania RR
> locomotives.? It seems like a new PRR release every month or two.? Many
> years ago at the NMRA National Train Show in Philadelphia I spoke with a
> representative of Broadway.? They had already produced the Y6b and I
> suggested they could use the same mechanism and do the Y-5, Y-6 and Y-6a
> boilers.? I know?Harold Davenport also suggested this to them but obviously
> nothing has come of it.
> It is my understanding that the PRRT&HS Modeling committee gathers
> together all the necessary documentation and travels to Florida to meet
> with the folks at Broadway to promote a new locomotive.? I have even heard
> a representative of the factory in China is often in attendance. Of course,
> it seems like anything with "PRR" on it sells well.
> Jim Brewer
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> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: BLI Y-6 wishes
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> There is a good compromise. Some years ago Oriental produced their
> Powerhouse series. These were brass hybrids with an excellent drive system,
> brass tenders, and a metal boiler. Not as well detailed as a brass engine,
> but very smooth runners. They were based on USRA designs. The articulated
> could be had with an N&W style tender as well as a USRA style. The rear
> drivers were fixed like the prototype so the boiler swings out like it
> should. They also did a Pacific, Mikado, and I think an articulated logger.
> You find these on auction sites and at shows. I have 3 of the N&W Ys as
> well as Mikados and a Pacific. They have run like a Swiss watch for years.
> Am in the process of converting them to DCC/sound, a pretty easy process.
>
> Best,
> Jerry A Shepardson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:49 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
> ?
> Good for you! As a doctor I'm sure you have enough money to buy $800-1,200
> brass ones that don't wiggle.
>
> The BLI and AHM/Rivarossi articulateds were designed for the average
> modelers who must live with ridiculously tight curves. Try a KEY Y-4 on
> 18-22"r and see what happens.
>
> I appreciate your thoughts and you are 100% right about these drives being
> wrong. That's just not how an articulated works. Abomonation? I don't think
> so. They were created to sell engines to guys that can operate them. They
> run well and serve the purpose.
>
> As a very young modeler I returned home from a trip watching N&W steam to
> find my local hobby shop had the "new" Y-6b models. I had saved my grass
> cutting money and forked over the huge sum, for me, of $19.99 for one. I
> took it home and put it on my 18" layout and it ran like a dream. That's
> what AHM/Rivarossi was after.
>
> I think people miss the whole point with our model trains that, first and
> foremost, they are simply toys with electric motors! Some are on the high
> end like the brass stuff but in the end they are toys. We generally do not
> buy nor want museum quality models as they would be too expensive and
> wouldn't operate well if everything were 100% to scale. Look at the excess
> detail on PSC A & Y models. Making them run reliably is difficult with all
> the fine details around the wheels. That stuff is beautiful but not
> practical on a layout which will have derailments bending and causing
> shorts.
>
> My 2?.
>
> Roger Huber
> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>
>
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022, 07:25:01 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> I've watched this thread go on and on, and I  finally can't stand it
> anymore.  I have not bought,  and will never buy a BLI articulated, of they
> can't/won't get the articulation right.  The Rivarossi floating rear engine
> isn't necessary and even it the driver and flange sizes are better, it's
> still a glaring abomination.  They will never get my money if they can't
> make a proper engine.  Perhaps if they offered an M, since that is a solid
> frame engine, I would consider it.  But I will never buy a Y6a, or a Y6, or
> a Y5 from them if they insist on perpetuating an incorrect drive mechanism.
>
> Dr. J. Brent Greer
>
>
> ________________________________
> Dr. J. Brent Greer
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> NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2022 11:50 AM
> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Cc: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: BLI Y-6 wishes
>
> I?ll join the list of those having suggested BLI do an Y-6/Y-6a. If I
> recall correctly, I emailed them shortly after they announced their Y-6b.
>
> I noted that the Y-6?s and Y-6a?s outnumbered the B?s by nearly 3-to-1 on
> the N&W. And living about 15 miles from the prototype 2156 at the time, I
> even volunteered to measure/photograph it for them.
>
> Their emailed answer to me was, boiled down, thanks but no thanks. I took
> some solace in their at least getting the driver diameter correct, unlike
> the ancient Rivarossi model. LOL.
>
> Andre Jackson
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad<https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 3:31 PM, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
> Certainly Broadway LTD has not been hampered in producing Pennsylvania RR
> locomotives.  It seems like a new PRR release every month or two.  Many
> years ago at the NMRA National Train Show in Philadelphia I spoke with a
> representative of Broadway.  They had already produced the Y6b and I
> suggested they could use the same mechanism and do the Y-5, Y-6 and Y-6a
> boilers.  I know Harold Davenport also suggested this to them but obviously
> nothing has come of it.
>
> It is my understanding that the PRRT&HS Modeling committee gathers
> together all the necessary documentation and travels to Florida to meet
> with the folks at Broadway to promote a new locomotive.  I have even heard
> a representative of the factory in China is often in attendance. Of course,
> it seems like anything with "PRR" on it sells well.
>
> Jim Brewer
>
>
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