[game_preservation] Game Canon

[Rowan Kaiser]

I think it's a pretty terrible game in general. Ah well. I know families who
get spread apart, like with college students, who keep in touch by forming
questing parties in WOW. Last day on earth activity? I dunno about that.
Maybe Diablo II.

Rowan

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Devin Monnens <dmonnens at gmail.com> wrote:


> Just so long as it's not Monopoly. Terrible, terrible game to spend your

> last days playing. Some folks might find themselves written out of the

> will...

>

> Actually, the Game Desing Challenge this year at GDC included the game you

> play while you die. I personally didn't like any of the ones shown.

>

>

> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Stuart Feldhamer <

> stuart.feldhamer at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>  Interesting point – I didn’t think of that.

>>

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>>

>> Stuart

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>> *From:* Rowan Kaiser [mailto:rowankaiser at gmail.com]

>> *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 8:49 PM

>> *To:* stuart at feldhamer.com; IGDA Game Preservation SIG

>>

>> *Subject:* Re: [game_preservation] Game Canon

>>

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>>

>> What if they're multiplayer games with your family?

>>

>>  On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Stuart Feldhamer <

>> stuart.feldhamer at gmail.com> wrote:

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>> I can recommend a lot of good games. But if you’re really about to die,

>> and it’s a choice between playing one of them or spending time with your

>> family, I would suggest the latter.

>>

>>

>>

>> Stuart

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>> *From:* game_preservation-bounces at igda.org [mailto:

>> game_preservation-bounces at igda.org] *On Behalf Of *Henry Lowood

>> *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 3:41 PM

>> *To:* Rowan Kaiser

>> *Cc:* IGDA Game Preservation SIG

>> *Subject:* Re: [game_preservation] Game Canon

>>

>>

>>

>> It's an interesting question.  There are some games I would recommend in a

>> general way, but cannot claim to have played them seriously.    I doubt that

>> I could give more than a few dozen deeply-felt recommendations -- games that

>> I played intensively, value, and feel my reader should play "before you

>> die."

>>

>> Henry

>>

>> On 8/9/2010 11:14 AM, Rowan Kaiser wrote:

>>

>> It's an editor with several contributors. I know at least one of them. It

>> does make me wonder how many games I've played, and how many of them I could

>> recommend.

>>

>> Rowan

>>

>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Henry Lowood <lowood at stanford.edu>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Devin,

>>

>> I agree -- it's difficult to see how anyone could play through that many

>> games.

>>

>> Henry

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>> On 8/9/2010 10:41 AM, Devin Monnens wrote:

>>

>> I haven't played 1000 games. I don't think there's too many people who

>> have. It might be more useful to have a 100 list say, as that's much easier

>> to go through - though obviously not as extensive.

>>

>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Henry Lowood <lowood at stanford.edu>

>> wrote:

>>

>> That is a long bucket list!  I guess the author is claiming to have played

>> all of them, though.

>>

>> Henry

>>

>>

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>> On 8/8/2010 11:49 AM, Jan Baart wrote:

>>

>> There's also this upcoming effort:

>>

>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/1001-Video-Games-Must-Before/dp/0789320908

>>

>> Jan

>>

>> Rowan,

>>

>> You probably know this, but a mini-version of such a book exists,

>> published (which is interesting in itself) by the BFI:

>>

>> http://www.amazon.com/100-Videogames-BFI-Screen-Guides/dp/1844571629

>>

>> And of course, we know the authors ...

>>

>> Henry

>>

>> On 8/3/2010 5:58 PM, Rowan Kaiser wrote:

>>

>> The main way that I think canons or Halls of Fame or lists of best ever

>> work is if there's some kind of lens. Simple subjectivity is one way to go

>> about it, but there are other ways. The initial list you linked to, Andrew,

>> had a fairly interesting one in that it seemed to be aimed at aspiring

>> designers. This allows bad games as well as good on the list,

>> entertainingly. It had some organizational and editorial problems, but I

>> think that's a fascinating concept, especially as it brings in non-video

>> games.

>>

>> One idea that I've had for a long time is an encyclopedia of video games.

>> But not like a Britannica or World Book where it's ostensibly a collection

>> of facts presented in a neutral voice, but like some of the film

>> encyclopedias which present a series of essays on each of their subjects.

>> This allows for more interesting opinions, more diverse forms of writing or

>> argument, and, at least conceptually, a sort of user-generated canon. Maybe

>> I don't care about, say, The Legend of Dragoon, but one of its fans can

>> write convincingly about why it's interesting or important. Likewise, a game

>> like Starcraft is important in completely different ways to completely

>> different people. One essay could talk about its role in competitive gaming,

>> while another focuses on its interesting use of narrative for a strategy

>> game.

>>

>>

>> Rowan

>>

>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Andrew Armstrong <andrew at aarmstrong.org>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Replying to everyone here at once; I agree with everyone! Firstly; Canon

>> should be expansive - why not if we can do so? :D However, the degree which

>> it is classified Canon is just so that it isn't *everything*, and

>> probably it'd take both influential (ala Bill and Matts work, although their

>> website goes a lot deeper!) and the pioneers and tech instigators. Like

>> other technology mediums, there is a lot of good first attempts, with the

>> polishers really shining it later for real use, but both are important.

>>

>> Secondly; that list was just an example which sprung this idea again -

>> that there are tons of appendixes and short lists of games without the kind

>> of historical context most people here recognise, thus have massive flaws.

>> Daikatana? Trespasser? Both perhaps good examples of some really poor

>> design, even if it tries to pioneer some aspect or other, but otherwise only

>> interesting at all in how bad they are. Even Lets Play's of these games are

>> notorious! Not quite canon material perhaps, but it does depend...they'd

>> have their place but it'd be low down the list.

>>

>> The IGN list is actually surprisingly interesting for noting the pioneers

>> and influencers, even if it is very boring, and also oddly not really

>> complete or in depth (it again is like a book appendix, and has similar

>> issues with the choices in games perhaps, but so does anything!).

>>

>> Thirdly; That is great news Henry that you've still got it on your mind.

>> I'm certainly up for helping whatever effort. It would be the case that a

>> great step would be to get the LoC to consider games properly. I could check

>> out the UK scene on it too, and I am sure some other European institutions

>> might be interested since they preserve films but not games as such (we can

>> assume the actual game museums/archives will protect them but they of course

>> need to be notified of these important games too :) so a list is always

>> good). Even just getting them on board to protect the actual media if not

>> much ephemera would work wonders for posterity.

>>

>> In any case, glad there is some interest, however minor! I think the

>> easiest part for many people is arguing why a game is really, really

>> important in a good way - which is the major first step. I said perhaps

>> start small, and this is mainly because if anything, the IGN list shows that

>> even a small few-paragraph description of "why" is a good starting point for

>> further investigation.

>>

>> Andrew

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