A tender question regarding a photo in the latest Arrow

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Brent: The 111 is at the top of page 10 in my N&W in Color. Jim Nichols

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> Thank you Mr. Jeffries,

>

> I still have a couple of specifics that I hope you can help with.

> From what I have gathered, the B&LE tenders already had brakeman's

> doghouses on them (with an entryway that was recessed into the top of

> the tender deck.) Were these replaced with a different style

> "cupola"? Where were the additional handrails added? What was

> different about the N&W style of buffer? and lastly, did the tender

> placed behind the K1 locomotive also receive one of the brakeman

> doghouses/cupolas, or was this only for the ones placed behind Y3a

> locomotives.

>

> I still have not been able to find any photograph of K1 #111 that has

> the ex-B&LE tender. If someone knows of one, this could go a long way

> toward answering some specifics.

>

> Were there ever any other tenders acquired from other roads besides

> the ex-ACL R1 tenders used behind Y4s, the ex-C&O tenders behind the

> K1s, and these ex-B&LEs behind the Y3a's and K1 #111?

>

> Brent Greer

>

>

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> Dr. J. Brent Greer

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> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in the latest Arrow

> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:00:27 -0500

>

>

>

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> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in the latest

> Arrow

>

> Mr. Jeffries (or anyone else who may know),

>

> Brent, here are your answers after each question.

>

> Were the ex-B&LE tenders placed in service on the N&W

> unchanged from the way that they were received from B&LE or

> did they receive modifications? If changed, what

> modifications were made?

>

> They were reconditioned and outfitted with a back light,

> cupola for the head end brakeman, additional handrails,

> inspection holes, drawbars between the engine and tender, and

> the style of buffer used by the N&W.

>

> Also, while on the subject of foreign road tenders, did all of

> the ex-C&O/Pere Marquette tenders get placed behind N&W K1

> engines, or did any other locomotives receive these as well?

>

> All eight of these tenders were applied to the K1's.

>

> What tenders did the K1 engines have that were converted to

> oil burners?

>

> The one photo I have seen had a 18,000-gallon cast steel water

> bottom tender, dated December 1946.

>

> Lastly, did any of the K1 engines keep their N&W designed

> tenders for their entire service lives?

>

> The K1's were built with either the 9,000-gallon or

> 12,000-gallon N&W tender. In the mid-20s, they all got the

> 16,000-gallon N&W variety and they remained on the K1's until

> the K2's were modernized and streamlined. At this time they

> all got the 18,000-gallon cast steel water bottom type. This

> type remained on seven K1's until the end and the other nine

> got the second hand tenders [eight ex-C&O and one ex-B&LE].

>

> Sincerest thanks,

>

> Brent Greer

>

> Sam, as a follow-on to your question about what engine/tenders

> going to the DM&IR, I verified that none of the B&LE tenders

> received by the N&W went to the Missabe. There were 18 2-10-4s

> that went to the Missabe and all went there in 1951. The N&W

> tenders came off of the B&LE in 1953 when the nine locomotives

> listed below were retired that year.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Bud Jeffries

>

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> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in the latest

> Arrow

> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:18:43 -0500

>

> Sam,

>

> I have been unable to verify this, but I believe these

> tenders came from 2-10-4's not used by the DM&IR. I have

> attempted to find a B&LE roster to get the engine numbers

> bought by the Missabe, but haven't found one yet. What I

> do know is the N&W tenders came from B&LE locomotives 601,

> 602, 606, 607, 609, 612, 613, 615 and 616. Of the

> forty-some B&LE 2-10-4's, I seem to remember that about 18

> went to the DM&IR.

>

> Maybe one of mailing list members has this information.

>

> Bud Jeffries

>

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> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:43 PM

> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in

> the latest Arrow

>

> Bud,

>

> Did any of those tenders go to the DM&IR from the B&LE

> and then to the N&W, or were those different locomotives?

>

> Sam Putney

>

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> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:51 PM

> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo

> in the latest Arrow

>

> In 1953-54, the N&W purchased secondhand nine

> 22000-gallon tenders that had been used by

> the Bessemer & Lake Erie on its 2-10-4s. Of the

> nine the N&W got, one was applied to a K1 and the

> other eight to Y3a's. The 2061 had tender number

> 220304 which it received in January 1954 at the

> Roanoke Shops.

>

> Bud Jeffries

>

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> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:47 PM

> Subject: A tender question regarding a photo

> in the latest Arrow

>

> In the new issue of the Arrow, at the top of

> page 10, there is a photograph of Y3a #2061

> leading a coal train.

>

> The tender of this locomotive has a very

> different look to it, compared to other N&W

> tenders I am familiar with and have

> photographs of (for comparison, just look at

> the one behind Y3a #2070 at the end of the

> train in the lower picture of that same page)

>

> Can someone please identify the tender in use

> behind #2061 in the upper photograph and

> perhaps supply some history as to its origins?

>

> Sincere thanks for any and all responses.

>

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> Dr. J. Brent Greer

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