Location

Fri May 15 16:52:12 EDT 2015

Maybe already answered but I seem to remember (without google) that it was more positive - as in "thus demonstrated" or proven?

Ed Svitil

Norfolk & Western Railway

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Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:17:23 -0400
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My education continues long after I had professors teaching.  Your 
answer living proof of it.....

Bud Jeffries

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Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Location

My mathematics professors would finish a derivation of a 
formula by appending "QED" for Quod Erat Demonstrandum.  As I recall the 
English equivalent was something like, "That which was to be 
demonstrated."

Gordon Hamilton

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  Okay Frank,

  I don’t use Latin on the farm and to my knowledge it has never been used 
  here.  Tell what the Latin phrase means since I may have an occasion to 
  use it – if appropriate.

  Bud Jeffries

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  Abram, my dear fellow curmudgeon;

  I can certainly agree with some of your points, but the language does 
  evolve, for better or for worse.  And in most fields, even in mine--the 
  Federal Bureaucracy--a lot of the terminology today would be incomprehensible 
  to someone who retired 20 years ago.  But, yes, calling it the Norfolk 
  And Southern bothers me, calling a simple articulated a "mallet" is a bit 
  disconcerting.  And I have no idea what the correct term is for the 
  person who is the sole crewperson on a train.

  And "Better".  Hmmm.  I've talked to more than a few engineers 
  who thought diesels were better riding than their railroad's best steam 
  locomotives.  And I remember reading articles about when racial 
  segregation still existed on the railroads.  So, hmmmm.  Now if 
  you're talking from a railfan perspective, there's a reason I'm modeling the 
  Virginian in southern WV in the mid 1950's.  

  But it's kind of sneaky for you to throw in a phrase in Latin.  
  Correct, but sneaky.

  Frank Bongiovanni (who not only knows from law school what the phrase 
  means, but learned it when Latin was not yet a dead language).  

  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:20 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

    Since when do we "PARK" engines?  Oh, since maybe 15 or 20 years 
    ago.

    More "Vocabulary Slippage," gentlemen.  

    One "parks" an automobile or a bicycle, but one "ties down" (or even "ties up") an engine.  

    Guess it's just part of the overall demythologization of railroading as 
    a whole.  Along with railroaders dressing for work in baseball caps and 
    tee-shirts and people saying "units" (for engines) and "grown throws" (for 
    switches) and "grabs" (for grab irons) and "heads" (for signal arms,) and 
    trainmen who would rather quack on their radio than give a hand signal (... 
    or who don't even understand something as basic as talking to the engineman 
    by the use of hand signals.)

    Ah, but then our brilliant news media also calls railroads "train 
    companies," calls enginemen "train operators," refers to individual cars 
    (whether passenger or freight) by using the collective plural noun 
    "trains,"  and uses the terms "Conductor" and "Engineer" 
    interchangeably, as if there were not the lightest distinction between the 
    two.  Oh yes, and the "train operators" (engineers)  "drive 
    trains." And the degradation goes on and on.  Give me a break...

    Yes, I must be an old-school curmudgeon.

    A friend in Kansas, a 1955 Santa Fe man, just yesterday lamented, "I 
    can't even talk to today's railroaders.  They don't speak the same 
    railroad language I speak."  (Yeah, we were having a conversation over 
    the Morse telegraph wire when he made this statement...)

    Forgive the rant.  I just no longer fit in this world.  The 
    world of old school railroading was a lot better.

    This constitutes my blog for the day.  Quod Erat 
    Demonstrandum.

    -- abram burnett,
    nove cumberlandhorodshchina, oblast pennsylvaniensis

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