Bill Box

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Tue Oct 13 16:15:59 EDT 2015

Thank You for posting the 57 version of the coal tag! I knew they existed  
but this is the first time I have seen one! I am planning on using a 
modified  form for my model railroad!
Ray Russell Sr.
In a message dated 10/13/2015 4:12:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nw-mailing-list at writes:

Mr. Bundy,

You are more familiar with sales &  marketing than me.  I don't know when 
the "permit system"  began.  All I can tell you is when I hire in 1973 when 
ever we  serviced a mine the conductor would get waybills for the loads from 
the mine  and write up a wheel report to be given to the yard clerk on 
arrival in  Williamson.  For eastbound coal trains, out of Williamson, the bills 
rode  with the head-end brakeman to Bluefield and dropped off at the east 
yard  office as they passed by.  Many times the bills for a coal train were  
about the size of a brick and weighed about the same.  When I was working  
waybills were required before a load could be moved from a mine, even short  
loads (raw coal moving from one load out to a different mine for washing). If 
 there was no bill for the particular car it stayed at the mine until  
Coal waybills were also often referred to as "bills"  or "tags".  Maybe a 
misuse of words or terms over the  years? 
I have attached waybills from 1957 for coal moved from the  mine to 
Williamson for weighing and Contract Tidewater bills from 1985 for  shipping.  I am 
sure the Tidewater bills are permits since the have a  class & number 
This may help us understand the  difference in operations by dates (years) 
from what you are saying and what I  experienced.  

-Jeff  Hensley.


Need an explanation here.  Never had to contend with a mine  tag,
so I don't know what their purpose was.  In the era before  the
"permit system", coal could be shipped to Lamberts Point  without
ever having been sold.   Once at Lamberts Point, these  so-called
"rollers" didn't start accruing demurrage for 10 days (for  merchandise
traffic it was 2 days), so agents had time to sell the coal  while en
route and for 10 days after arrival before the charges  started.  My
impression was these cars had no waybill, only the  cardboard mine
tag stapled to the side of the car. Any thoughts on mine  tags  ?
Harry Bundy  

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