6 wheel trucks

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Mon Nov 26 22:44:43 EST 2018


Didn’t those earlier VGN 3-bay 70-ton hoppers have a rather unique truck under them?  If I’m not mistaken, they had a very rare 6x11 journal Vulcan truck.  

EdKing

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Subject: Re: 6 wheel trucks

Steve Summers researched the heck out of these for a clinic, and I have the material somewhere, but I'm 95% certain that the H-14's were built after the H-15's.  The H-15's are another in the long line of 50/52.5/55 ton two bay hoppers; the H-14's were the second group of 70 ton three bays, several years after the 70 ton 3 bay H-5's.  The H-14/H-34's are kind of a unique VGN/N&W design, and as far as I know, even though we've had two different postings on how to take an MDC or Atlas TrainMan 70 ton 3 bay and convert it to the H14/34 hopper, an accurate model has not been done in kit or RTR.

Frank Bongiovanni

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:44 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

  Don’t recall the VGN H-15s.  Do recall the H-14s; I was working at Shaffers Crossing Shop Track at the date of the merger and was drafted for a couple of jobs at other locations.  My impression was that the H-14 class was in existence before the merger and that 500 more were built after the merger as N&W H-34s.  I don’t recall the numbers.

  Ed King

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  Ed,
  Virginian drawings show 1000 H-15, 55-T hoppers built by Bethlehem Steel from Mar. thru June 1953, numbers 26000-26999.
  Then, from May thru Oct 1956 Virginian built at Princeton, 500 total hoppers, H-15a nos. 27000-27299 and H-15b nos. 27300-27499.
  I know the H-14, 70-T hoppers were built in Princeton, but for some reason I do not have that drawing.
  Since I do not have the H-14 drawing I can't prove it, but something tells me, and I don't know why, that the H-14 hoppers were actually built after the the H-15a&b hoppers. That would explain the left over material for more H-14s after the merger.
  Your thoughts?


  Jeff Sanders



  On Monday, November 26, 2018, 7:51:35 AM EST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 


  Jeff - 

  The Virginian cars were 70-ton hoppers classed H-14.  At the time of the merger, material was on hand at Princeton to build 500 more cars; they were N&W class H-34.  At least, this was the story at the time.

  Ed King

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  Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 6:08 PM
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  Interesting that the Class was H-15. The Virginian had just built class H-15 hoppers in Princeton in the late '50s. In fact, I believe the N&W continued to build cars in Princeton after the merger, under the new N&W numbers and class. N&W wasted no time in reclassifying Vgn equipment to fit its system. I'm betting all that was probably settled before merger day.


  Jeff Sanders


  On Saturday, November 24, 2018, 6:47:46 PM EST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 


  I only missed the class by two . . .

  EdKing

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  Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:30 AM 
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  Except that the  class was H-15, the rest sounds good to me.

  Gordon Hamilton

  On 11/23/2018 10:19 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
  > Around 1961 or so N&W designed a massive 150-ton hopper car (class 
  > H13?) to use short-wheelbase Buckeye 6-wheel trucks like those used on 
  > Y-6 tenders. They started construction and ordered the trucks from the 
  > Buckeye people and were advised that the short-wheelbase item was no 
  > longer available.  In order that the project not be scrapped on the 
  > spot, they had to go to United Iron and Metal at Roanoke which was 
  > scrapping Y-6bs at the time and buy a pair of tender trucks, which 
  > reportedly cost $25,000.
  >
  > I saw the car a couple of times; it really stood out in a coal train.
  >
  > Gordon, can you correct any mistakes I have made?
  >
  > Ed King
  >
  > -----Original Message----- From: NW Mailing List
  > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 3:48 AM
  > To: NWHS LIST
  > Subject: 6 wheel trucks
  >
  > Recent discussions with a friend on the VGN battleship gondola brought 
  > to memory of a 6 wheel hopper I thought was VGN, but could also be N&W.
  > There were either photos or drawings in the ARROW, which I have gone 
  > through and found the VGN car, but not the style I am remembering.
  > A friend of mine had his father cut the shape out of wood some years 
  > ago. I got 6 wheel trucks for them, but never finished them.
  > Does anyone know or remember these cars, and where the drawing/photo was?
  > I know with all the talk of the manufacturers closing down, and really 
  > putting the squeeze on available models, has anyone considered 3D 
  > printing?
  > I have quite a few hoppers, excavators, front end loaders ect that 
  > were 3D printed. I know they are not perfect and need extra attention, 
  > but after putting micro-train trucks under them, they look quite nice 
  > and work fine. 3D printing could offer unlimited items to manufacture, 
  > that otherwise would never be made except for scratch building.
  >
  > PS in the March/April 2006 issue of the ARROW, mine came with 2 front 
  > covers, so if your issue is missing its front cover, I have it.
  >
  > Jeff Wood
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