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We should be looking at the same photos from the archives. If you go to
the NWHS web site and do a search on each station it will pull up all
the photos and and drawings for that location. Just click on photos once
the list has come up. That will keep you from going through the entire
list. I think there are two tower photos of Iaeger but cant remember
for for sure.
Cooper was the one that confused me the most. Had to get Gordon
Hamilton to draw me a sketch of the tracks. For any on the list not
familiar Cooper was only on the main line before the new double tracking
began. Once the new West bound main line was put in service Cooper was
on the Bluestone Ext. and the East Bound Main (Old ML). After the old
main line was eliminated and the new East bound Main was in service it
was only on the branch. It was shown in ETT #18 eff. 4/30/22 as on the
old EB ML and only on the Bllue. Ext. by ETT 22 eff. 7/6/24 if my notes
As for the others they only showed up as a published station or
location. I collect worthless information such as stations published in
N&W time tables, Station and Siding list, Open and Prepay, etc.
Perhaps someone will come up with a photo of the ones at Ruth and BF
west end. Makes you wonder if Ruth looked like Coaldale.
Another example of worthless information. That tower at Flat Top, VA
was a beautiful old tower. I also collect information on stationary
boilers. The one in that boiler house was boiler number 457 operated
with 75 pounds of pressure 6/12/1919. Very low pressure for a
stationary boiler. Could have been an old locomotive boiler or a
commercial boiler just no information.
457 Flat Top, VA 75
On 9/5/2021 10:22 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Thanks, Jim.
> Looking at your list, it occurs to me that HQ was the only (?) tower
> on the Division to be replaced (early to late version before being
> closed). I had some vague notion that Iaeger (late) was larger than
> shown in the Archives image NW10281. Are your Iaeger photos of the
> same tower?
> A vestige of the Flat Top tower are the automatic signals there at the
> Ruth and Coaldale were the control points on either end of the old
> Elkhorn Tunnel. They were closed earlier and control consolidated at
> Bluestone. By the time Bluestone closed, it had the main line west all
> the way to Elkhorn (the station) at the east end of Powhatan Middle
> Track where Eckman picked up.
> Grant Carpenter
> On 8/31/2021 10:24 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>> Paul and Grant
>> I have searched my files on the Main Line of the Pocahontas and this
>> is what I have found. Some of the information is from the late
>> 1800's to later years.
>> West End Tower Bluefied, WV no photos only a published location.
>> Perhaps Telegraph was OX.
>> Graham (Bluefield), HQ has been covered in prior mail with photo.
>> Flat Top Yard, VA photo old two story tower near pumping station.
>> Perhaps Telegraph was FY
>> Cooper, WV old two story building at fork of Bluestone or
>> Pocahontas. Main line was single track at the time of the photo.
>> Telegraph MC.
>> Coaldale, WV tower photos
>> Bluestone, WV SU tower covered in prior mail.
>> East End Tower Ruth, WV only information it was a published location.
>> Tug Tower Welch, WV covered in prior mail.
>> Iaeger, WV photos
>> East Williamson, WV location with no known photos.
>> I would suspect other towers were on the main line in the early years
>> at some branch line junctions. So far no information has surfaced on
>> other locations that I have seen.
>> There were also what I call short towers that preformed the same as a
>> regular tower. They were the sheds set up at the end of double track
>> to protect movement over the single track during construction. There
>> were a number of these at various times and locations on the
>> Pocahontas including Joe and Jim WV.
>> Jim Blackstock
>> n 8/28/2021 5:11 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>>> Sorry, it's been many years, I cannot recall where I saw the one
>>> image of the late version. In spite of the high-visibility location
>>> and easy access, the late version was not as photogenic and
>>> apparently lacked the photo coverage.
>>> I have not researched written archives yet for the changeover date.
>>> Recollections are not given to nailing down dates, only that I've
>>> heard recollections of the early version that could date to the late
>>> 1930s--nothing to narrow the time frame.
>>> The dates of TC upgrades can help. They prompted the changeover of
>>> operators/towers from an early version to late and/or late to
>>> closed. The (early) CV Junction mechanical interlocking would have
>>> included the single crossover on the main and the junction switch
>>> off of the eastbound main. The changeover to (late) electric "Local"
>>> TC would include the CV main, but only to the east end of Furnace.
>>> Control of the main line extended east to the West Yard Pullout;
>>> helpful, because westbounds routinely fouled the westbound main to
>>> double out of the yard.
>>> HQ never extended west on the main line. The main was dark territory
>>> all the way to Bluestone (so the double crossover at Falls Mills was
>>> hand-thrown). For HQ to close, TC had to be in place here and on the
>>> east end of the Valley. This eliminated regular orders picked up at
>>> HQ by all non-passenger westbounds. Issuance of clearance cards was
>>> moved to the call office, along with any special orders. Orders and
>>> clearance cards for passenger runs were always issued at the
>>> Bluefield, WV station.
>>> HQ Tower was the third on the main line to close and move to
>>> Bluefield. Bluestone was the first, following the completion of the
>>> east end of the Elkhorn realignment in 1950. Eckman would follow
>>> with completion of the west end to North Fork. With the closing of
>>> HQ, the dispatcher in Bluefield would control the main west through
>>> Vivian. The others would close in order going west, starting with
>>> Tug in the 1960s, then Iaeger and Devon in the 1970s. West of Devon,
>>> I'm still trying to gather info on the East Williamson operator.
>>> As always, edits, additions and questions welcome.
>>> Grant Carpenter
>>> On 8/26/2021 3:00 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the information. I did not realize there was an “early
>>>> version” and a “late version” of HQ Tower.
>>>> Do you know about when the late version was built?
>>>> Are there any photos of the late version?
>>>> Paul Mandelkern
>>>> *From:* NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *NW Mailing List
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:38 PM
>>>> *To:* nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>>>> *Subject:* HQ Tower
>>>> Yes, this is the "early version." It was west of the stone
>>>> twin-arch underpass for Beaverpond Creek and old SR 85 (now 102) to
>>>> Falls Mills. This tower had levers/rods and a porch where clearance
>>>> cards and orders could be handed directly to passing crews.
>>>> The "late version" I referenced was east of the underpass, had a TC
>>>> board and orders had to be hooped up.
>>>> Grant Carpenter
>>>> On 8/25/2021 1:37 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>>>> The HQ Tower in Bluefield (Graham) Virginia was a two-story
>>>> wooden structure. See the photo attached.
>>>> Paul Mandelkern
>>>> Winter Park, Florida
>>>> On 8/24/2021 8:15 AM, Grant Carpenter wrote:
>>>> Crews referred to them variously as "operator," "tower" or by name.
>>>> The three mainline Pocahontas towers you mention below, plus HQ
>>>> tower (the late version), were of a similar frame design. Two
>>>> exceptions were Devon (mentioned earlier, was in the depot) and
>>>> Eckman, between Bluestone and Tug. The Eckman operator was in the
>>>> yard office, a depot-like structure pictured in Alex's book, "The
>>>> Norfolk And Western In West Virginia 1881-1959" on page 261.
>>>> As mentioned, the operator count was a moving target and declined
>>>> through the 1950s. A handy inflection point that includes those
>>>> mentioned here was the start of centralizing TC in Bluefield. I
>>>> believe Bluestone was the first to move and close, barely making it
>>>> into 1950, then Eckman, then HQ.
>>>> Grant Carpenter
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