Y3 Trivia
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Fri Dec 23 20:04:38 EST 2022
Interesting. About 15 years ago, I was at an auction in Salem that a J bell was up, I am pretty certain it was 607. Went too rich for my blood, and did not see any reason to add yet another heavy toe breaker to my collection.
I think about half the bells I have seen were stamped with a number, some with more than one, some were simply a shop number, but most were actual locomotive numbers.
That makes sense on the markings Larry, I find it interesting they would be in place that late in the game for a Y3.
I am told that all the cage contents were gone in recent years. But most of what I saw I believe were original bells, but they had to cast new cradles for them and machine that. At least one was stamped with a 216x number
Best
Ken
> On Dec 23, 2022, at 7:33 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> My friend was Monty Owens of Culpepper. The bell was #603 or 607 Not sure.
> Stephen Rineair
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> Markings on the jacket would have been standard shop practice for removal and reinstall for whatever reason it was taken off leaking caps broken stay bolts ect . I know the story about your friend who donated the bell to VMT such a waste probably already out the back door . Like some other artifacts they have been giving never see the light of day . Also most of those steam bells in the cage are new castings not originals at least the seven or eight that I saw
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> Larry Evans
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> Stephen
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> Yes indeed, I purchased a bell from a church, still in its original shipping crate, I forget now what it was off of, but it was only marked with a shop inventory number “72”. They used the money to build a steeple on their church. Forty some years ago, I traded it off for several builders plates, all of which I still have. My friend passed away about 2018, and the bell was donated in 2021 by my friend’s widow to VMT.
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> Ken Miller
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> > On Dec 23, 2022, at 5:23 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > Ken:
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> > A friend of mine got one of the Class J bells from a yard sale from a church that had used it. The bell was stamped on the inside of the bell.
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> > Stephen Rineair
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> > The bell and cradle had been totally removed from 2057, but it might have been for saving at the storehouse. It does not look like the treasure hunters were there, as the builders plate, whistle and headlight are still intact, although the headlight number board has been painted over.
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> > I believe that many of the bells were removed by the railroad during the mass scrapping, I know years ago, in the cage on the fourth floor of the storehouse there were a huge number of diesel bells, like 500 plus, and still about 17 steam bells remaining. They were often presented to churches, fire stations, schools, etc. on request. So, over the years, the steam bell supply dwindled.
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> > Stuff like headlights were only occasionally saved, whistles a bit more often. The headlights were heavy, awkward monsters and generally required two or three people to easily handle them, and the reflectors were pretty fragile in handling.
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> > The interesting thing is the markings chalked on the jacket at the rear side elevated view “L bottom front” and “L bottom back”.
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> > https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=79828
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> > Any one with any idea what that might have been for? This is very late in the time, March 25, 1959 to be making new jacket pieces for a Y3.
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> > Best
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> > Ken Miller
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> > > On Dec 23, 2022, at 2:54 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > > Here are some images of 2057's boiler in Roanoke at 2057 by Bruce
> > > Meyer. The date is Mar 27, 1959
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> > > For these photos, the cab number is painted out and the main rod is removed. I thought perhaps there would be a bell back near the cab, but it doesn't look like it.
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> > > Perhaps by date in the original photo from this email chain, treasure hunters got ahold of it, or it had been put aside to be scrapped but got pulled one last time for use before being decommissioned as below?
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> > > Mike Rector
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> > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 1:53 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > > Here are two more:
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> > > 2049 without front mount bell:
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> > > https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=191598
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> > > 2045
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> > > https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=79835
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> > > Ken Miller
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> > > > On Dec 23, 2022, at 12:59 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > > > According to the roster in the Prince book, page 151, Y-3 were number series 2000 - 2049; Class Y-3a were number series 2050 - 2079.
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> > > > Jim Brewer
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> > > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 12:19 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > > > Jim,
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> > > > Thx for the reply. I'm pretty certain the front number plate reads
> > > > 2057
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> > > > which means this is a Y3. Pls correct me if you see something else
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> > > > indicating otherwise. I have a vague memory of seeing a another
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> > > > somewhere of a Y3 w/o a front mounted bell. It caught my eye
> > > > because it
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> > > > was so unusual.
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> > > > John Garner
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> > > > 2087 is not a Y3. It is a Y4. As far as I know ALL Y3's had bells
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> > > > mounted on the front. Y4's did not.
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> > > > Jim Nichols
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> > > > On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 08:28:07 PM CST, NW Mailing
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> > > > <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > > > Anybody care to share how many Y3's didn't have smokebox mounted bells.
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> > > > Not many I assume. Here's one.
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