Z Cylinder Class Plates

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Everyone, I have a couple of follow up questions/observations on the discussion of the Class Badge Plates for Z’s. 

There is a drawing in the archives (https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=37105) that shows both “Z1” and “Z1b” on the same drawing. The Z1a is notably missing (There is no drawing for the Z1a in the archives). That got me wondering; was there never a Z1a class badge? Did those locomotives simply retain a Z1, with no sub-class, until end of life? This question may not have an answer, I just thought it curious.

On a related curiosity note, Mike Rector and I visited Time Hensley late last year. As Tim noted previously, he has a Z1b class badge, which I snapped a photo of. When I was typing up this email today I noticed that the “font” on his is different than the drawing - sans serif (his) vs serif style (drawing). That’s an interesting variance! Apparently some 1940’s guerilla graphic designer in the foundry had opinions about what it should look like… :)

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US

> On Nov 6, 2024, at 7:23 PM, Matt Goodman <mgoodman312 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jimmy and Ed. It’s amazing what you can find when there’s multiple eyes helping!
> 
> Now that you folks have me looking, I think I was missing them because of the (understandably) low resolution of the archive images and the ones that I can see appear to be black (or covered in soot). 
> 
> Ed, thanks for the observation that they are only on the rear cylinders. That helped as well.
> 
> Thanks everyone!
> 
> Matt Goodman
> Columbus, Ohio, US
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2024, at 10:04 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Matt and All,  USRA 2-8-8-2 Series, Classic Power 3 by Tom Dressler, page 7 has a photo of Z1a 1353 with a class badge, however, the badge is on the rear set of cylinders. Also, USRA 2-8-8-2 Series, Classic Power 3A, by Dressler, has a photo of Z1a 1361 sporting a class badge on her rear cylinders as well. I have seen a few other examples in books, (a magnifying glass helps!). -Ed Burnett, Lynchburg
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 9:36 AM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>> Mike reminded me of that, Tim. I even have a photo of it!  I have yet to see a photo of a Z1a with a class badge/plate. I’ll keep looking. 
>>> 
>>> Matt Goodman
>>> Columbus, Ohio
>>> 
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>>> On Nov 5, 2024, at 7:47 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I have a Z1b class plate.
>>> 
>>> Tim Hensley
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 07:30:39 PM EST, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Ken. I’d gone through all of the Z and Z1a drawings, but quit before searching Z1b. 
>>> 
>>> I came across a variety of photos that *should* have made badge plates visible. I’ll take another look. 
>>> 
>>> Matt Goodman
>>> 
>>> > On Nov 5, 2024, at 2:41 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Matt
>>> > 
>>> > Even though there may not be a photo, there is a drawing:
>>> > 
>>> > https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=37105
>>> > 
>>> > Best
>>> > Ken Miller
>>> > 
>>> >> On Nov 5, 2024, at 2:19 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> Did the Z1 locomotives ever carry their class plates on their cylinders? A search through the archives turned up some pretty good photos from various eras (I’m personally interested in pre-1940), and none of them appear to have them. But I wanted to run it past this group for input. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Thanks!
>>> >> 
>>> >> Matt Goodman
>>> >> Columbus, Ohio, US
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