S1 sleepers say Pullman?

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Thanks everyone,
That was great info. Always a good day to lean stuff like this!
David Baker

On Tue, Aug 5, 2025, 11:30 AM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> David,
>
> I on vacation this week and I am working from memory.  So I cannot site
> any publications to back-up what I am about to say.  But here goes.
>
> Even though Budd built the car, the Pullman name indicates that they
> operated the car.
>
> Pullman-Standard built sleeping cars at their factory and Pullman
> employees (porters) staffed the cars when they were in the consists of
> railroad passenger trains.
>
> Pullman-Standard was not the only builder of sleeping cars.  The Budd
> Company and American Car Foundry were also builders.
>
> Occasionally, railroads would purchase passenger cars from Budd or ACF and
> have Pullman porters staff them.  Obviously, Pullman-Standard resisted that
> arrangement and told the railroads, in no uncertain terms, that they would
> only staff cars that they had built.
>
> This matter made its way to the federal government, which concluded that
> Pullman had a monopoly on the sleeping car business and gave Pullman a
> choice: they could build the sleeping cars or operate them, but not both.
> Pullman chose to continue building sleeping cars and left the staffing to
> the railroads.
>
> This was merely a paper exercise.  The various railroads bought Pullman's
> operating side.  In effect, the railroads now owned the sleeping cars.  To
> staff the sleeping cars, the railroads simply leased the cars to Pullman,
> who staffed the cars with Pullman porters.  In other words, to the railroad
> passenger, the arrangement between Pullman and railroads was exactly same
> as it was before the federal government declared that Pullman had a
> monopoly on the construction, ownership and operation of sleeping cars.
>
> Since Pullman no longer owned the sleeping cars, no matter who built them,
> they could not balk about staffing sleeping cars built by Budd or ACF.
>
> Around 1969, with the decline in passenger travel, Pullman completely got
> out of operating sleeping cars.  The railroads themselves now owned and
> staffed the sleeping cars.  The Pullman name was removed from the cars
> letterboard to be placed by the name of the railroad.  This happened on the
> N&W.  The Pullman name, in small lettering above the vestibules of N&W
> cars, was replaced with the very generic phrase "Sleeping Car."
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bill King
> Arlington, Virginia
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 5, 2025 at 07:18:57 AM EDT, NW Mailing List <
> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi society,
> I've been looking at photos of the S1.
> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=17461
> I can't help but notice they say Pullman on them. I'm making a model of
> them, and I'm confused by that. Why do the Budd cars say Pullman on the top
> near the ends? I've just realized that there is probably something I don't
> know about here.
> David Baker
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