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Hi, Ken — Thank you for your note. Is your article still available? I am surprised that the N&W used cattle cars to ship brick. Masonry is pouris. All I have to do is look at the bricks on my garage walls to see how they waste away. But, I guess in a quick
turn around, the stock cars would do.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 28, 2024 6:01 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: When were milk and cream shipments discontinued?</span>
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<div style="font-size: 11pt;">Carl<br>
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There is no photo that I am aware of, but Virginia was home to several large brick companies. Livestock is a seasonal business, N&W used the stock cars in the off season, to carry brick as it was a product that was immune to weather and harder to damage, and
it made a good use of the cars when they were out of livestock season.<br>
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I well remember seeing the stock cars on the siding at the nearby brick plant, must have been late 1960s and asking my father about it, since he was a Radford Division Conductor, and that is what he had told me. It had to have been some of the last usage of
the cars before retirement.<br>
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Photos would rarely depict what was in the car regardless.<br>
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I had a small article on the stock cars in an Arrow a few years ago, which included Bob Hundman’s beautifully drawing of the SK class.<br>
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As was pointed out by Paul, there is a photo in Theime’s book of the cars enroute to the Honaker Branch, which was retired in 1955, I believe.<br>
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Best<br>
Ken Miller<br>
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> On Sep 28, 2024, at 5:20 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org> wrote:<br>
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> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} How interesting! Never saw a cattle car carrying bricks! I assume boxcars would normally do this. Do you have any pics of these?<br>
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> Carl Barna<br>
> Emmaus, PA<br>
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> Subject: Re: When were milk and cream shipments discontinued? All,<br>
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> Early on, back in the 1920s, N&W had four reefers. They were painted white with (I surmise, since no color photos exist) big black block letters (like the hoppers).<br>
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> Of course, they had Class SK cattle cars, since N&W moved a lot of livestock, especially from southwest Virginia (Bristol Line & Clinch Valley). They were also used for brick loading.<br>
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> Tim Hensley<br>
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> On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 07:19:34 AM EDT, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org> wrote:<br>
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> If N&W had reefers they must have been very early, before World War II. They would have hauled express reefers from REA and other railroads in their passenger trains. N&W did eventually get some insulated boxcars and mechanical reefers, but I'm pretty sure
that was after the 1964 merger, and may have even been an extension of Wabash service. I think NKP hauled a lot of meat reefers out of Chicago, but I don't know if that service was still in place at the time of the merger.<br>
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> N&W had stock cars pulled by a G class 2-8-0 up into the 1950s, the Honaker Branch I think. <br>
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> Milk and dairy didn't necessarily travel in reefers. That's why speed was so important in transporting them. The milk cans may have been placed in a chest filled with ice, but otherwise were often loaded on baggage cars as another piece of express in a
passenger train.<br>
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> Marty Flick<br>
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> Sent: Friday September 27 2024 2:54:53PM<br>
> Subject: Re: When were milk and cream shipments discontinued?<br>
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> Did the N&W have reefers and cattle cars?<br>
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> Carl Barna<br>
> Emmaus, PA<br>
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> Subject: Re: When were milk and cream shipments discontinued? I believe most milk cans were transported in baggage and express cars. From what I've read about the dairy industry, I don't think it was so much that the railroads stopped accepting them but
the dairy traffic simply moved to trucks for cost and effeciancy reasons.<br>
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> Marty Flick<br>
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> Subject: Re: When were milk and cream shipments discontinued?<br>
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> I have a follow up question, how did the N&W ship those?<br>
> Thanks,<br>
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> > On Sep 26, 2024, at 1:37 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org> wrote:<br>
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> > Good morning!<br>
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> > Is there a date that milk and cream shipments were no longer accepted on the N&W, or did that traffic wither away on its own?<br>
> ><br>
> > Best Autumn wishes,<br>
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> > Frank Scheer<br>
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