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Jim:<br>
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I'll be glad to discuss these places with you.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Gordon,
<div>Please send me your Email address. I would like to talk
about Bluefield, Princeton and Berea.</div>
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<div> This is not strictly on the below subject, but I am
reminded of one experience that I had during four years of
trips between Bluefield, WV, (near my home close to
Princeton, WV) and Berea College on the L&N in
Kentucky. Going back and forth I tried some off-the-path
train trips (ie.. N&W to St. Paul,VA; CRR to Elkhorn
City, KY; C&O to Ashland, KY and on to Winchester, KY;
and L&N to Berea). But my most-common rides were on the
coaches of the N&W's Pocahontas and Powhatan Arrow
between Bluefield and Cincinnati (L&N between Cincinnati
and Berea). The Arrow still had the P3coaches that were
built for that train. After several trips on the coaches of
both of these N&W trains, I noticed that the older
coaches on the Pocahontas rode smoother than the new P3
coaches on the Powhatan Arrow. Anyone else notice a similar
difference in the ride qualities of the two different groups
of coaches?<br>
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Gordon Hamilton<br>
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<p>Thank you Ken. Your response answered several of the
questions bouncing around in my head. Walter Davis<br>
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<pre>Walter
The Arrow as originally planned in 1945-46 was a seven car train. That was why the order with Pullman-Standard included, two P-1 locker or crew cars, two P2 partitioned coaches, 10, P3 58-seat coaches, four D-1 diners (two for the Pocahontas) and two P-4 observation lounge cars.
The seven-car trains were to be set up as follows:
One P1 Coach or Locker Car with space for dining car crew and coach seats
One P2 Coach, partitioned coach for race separation to meet Virginia law
Three P3 Coaches
One D1 diner
One P4 Observation Lounge
Unfortunately, the railroad fairly quickly learned, with the Arrow having run since April 1946, that three coaches were frequently too much, so it was cut back to one or two P3 coaches, depending on load and days of the week.
Traffic never picked up except for holiday travel and other rare occasions.
By the early 1950s, the P1s were converted to full coaches with a smoking section.
The train did not handle checked baggage, but about early 1957, a combine was added to the consist, I assume to handle some checked baggage.
Along about the same time, it was not unusual to see a mail-storage car in the consist, that had been late arriving for another train.
The N&W began a big effort to eliminate as much passenger service as possible. With attempted adjustments of the schedule with the timetable change at the end of April 1957 the RPO was placed in the Arrow west of Bluefield. I believe it might have been with schedule changes on the Cavalier, I’ve got a whole file on it, just not in hand at the moment.
By early 1959, the round-end observation-lounge cars were parked and by May sold off.
A few years later, the Arrow was then combined with the Cavalier, further slowing the schedule, and it was finally allowed to die in May 1969 as part of the upgrade of the Pocahontas.
Best
Ken Miller
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Does anyone know when the Arrow started adding baggage and/or post office cars to the consists of the original 5 car trains? Walter Davis in Youngsville, NC
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