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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My guess is they did have Z1 plates on 1300-1314 all where gone by 1934 so doubt any exist. Your answer may be in the Rev. books that’s where I would look . I have a Z1a and Z1b plate they have different fonts. Builder Photos show the Z1a badge plates clearly . Got to remember they were built three different places so that might explain the difference . As a plate collector I can tell you the drawings in the archives are puzzling and often are not true to life when it comes to plates .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Larry Evans <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NW-Mailing-List [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces@nwhs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 03, 2025 1:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> N&W Mailing List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><br><b>Cc:</b> NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Z Cylinder Class Plates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Everyone, I have a couple of follow up questions/observations on the discussion of the Class Badge Plates for Z’s. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is a drawing in the archives (<a href="https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=37105">https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=37105</a>) that shows both “Z1” and “Z1b” on the same drawing. The Z1a is notably missing (There is no drawing for the Z1a in the archives). That got me wondering; was there never a Z1a class badge? Did those locomotives simply retain a Z1, with no sub-class, until end of life? This question may not have an answer, I just thought it curious.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On a related curiosity note, Mike Rector and I visited Time Hensley late last year. As Tim noted previously, he has a Z1b class badge, which I snapped a photo of. When I was typing up this email today I noticed that the “font” on his is different than the drawing - sans serif (his) vs serif style (drawing). That’s an interesting variance! Apparently some 1940’s guerilla graphic designer in the foundry had opinions about what it should look like… :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Matt Goodman<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Columbus, Ohio, US<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 6, 2024, at 7:23 PM, Matt Goodman <<a href="mailto:mgoodman312@icloud.com">mgoodman312@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Jimmy and Ed. It’s amazing what you can find when there’s multiple eyes helping!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now that you folks have me looking, I think I was missing them because of the (understandably) low resolution of the archive images and the ones that I can see appear to be black (or covered in soot). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ed, thanks for the observation that they are only on the rear cylinders. That helped as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks everyone!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Matt Goodman<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Columbus, Ohio, US<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 6, 2024, at 10:04 AM, NW Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Matt and All, <u> USRA 2-8-8-2 Series, Classic Power 3</u> by Tom Dressler, page 7 has a photo of Z1a 1353 with a class badge, however, the badge is on the rear set of cylinders. Also, <u>USRA 2-8-8-2 Series, Classic Power 3A,</u> by Dressler, has a photo of Z1a 1361 sporting a class badge on her rear cylinders as well. I have seen a few other examples in books, (a magnifying glass helps!). -Ed Burnett, Lynchburg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 9:36 AM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mike reminded me of that, Tim. I even have a photo of it! I have yet to see a photo of a Z1a with a class badge/plate. I’ll keep looking. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Matt Goodman<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Columbus, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my mobile<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 5, 2024, at 7:47 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I have a Z1b class plate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Tim Hensley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-8743549299269328575ydp473cc2f5yahoo_quoted_1067254011"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 07:30:39 PM EST, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Thanks Ken. I’d gone through all of the Z and Z1a drawings, but quit before searching Z1b. <br><br>I came across a variety of photos that *should* have made badge plates visible. I’ll take another look. <br><br>Matt Goodman<br><br>> On Nov 5, 2024, at 2:41</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>PM, NW Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Matt<br>> <br>> Even though there may not be a photo, there is a drawing:<br>> <br>> <a href="https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=37105" target="_blank">https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=37105</a><br>> <br>> Best<br>> Ken Miller<br>> <br>>> On Nov 5, 2024, at 2:19 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Did the Z1 locomotives ever carry their class plates on their cylinders? A search through the archives turned up some pretty good photos from various eras (I’m personally interested in pre-1940), and none of them appear to have them. But I wanted to run it past this group for input. <br>>> <br>>> Thanks!<br>>> <br>>> Matt Goodman<br>>> Columbus, Ohio, US<br>>> ________________________________________<br>>> <a href="mailto:NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org" target="_blank">NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org</a><br>>> To change your subscription go to<br>>> <a href="http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list</a><br>>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at<br>>> <a href="http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="m_-8743549299269328575ydp473cc2f5yqtfd63878"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><br>> <br>> ________________________________________<br>> <a href="mailto:NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org" target="_blank">NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org</a><br>> To change your subscription go to<br>> <a href="http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list</a><br>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at<br>> <a href="http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/</a><br><br>________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org" target="_blank">NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org</a><br>To change your subscription go to<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list</a><br>Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org" target="_blank">NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org</a><br>To change your subscription go to<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list</a><br>Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org" target="_blank">NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org</a><br>To change your subscription go to<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list</a><br>Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/" target="_blank">http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org">NW-Mailing-List@nwhs.org</a><br>To change your subscription go to<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list">http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list</a><br>Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at<br><a href="http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/">http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>