<div dir="ltr">Carl, with all due respect to Bowser please do not assume that they did their research on this. We have beaten this to death several times on this list. A good number of PRR4 Bay hoppers were at leased to the Virginian during the war. The evidence we have is the lease was only for about 18 months.No doubt because it was in the war, we have found no photographic evidence whatsoever that these cars were repainted, or have any Virginian herald nor anything on them. Bowser did these years ago; we discussed the topic at that time, and a few times since, and all the evidence we had was that the paint scheme and lettering were speculation. A few years ago, they asked us for any information we had because they were going to re-issue them. Our suggestion was that they simply not do it because we don't want people thinking that they're real. I believe they changed the herald, still re-issued them. Our best information is that they are not prototypical. If anybody finds any information to the contrary, we'd love to know about it.<div><br></div><div>Bowser has done some really good things for us, but sometimes at least with the Virginian, they have played fast and loose a few times. At one time they did three covered hoppers, which was kind of perplexing because the railroad only had two, and of the three they did only one has a correct number. Usually, they're much better. </div><div><br></div><div>Frank Bongiovanni</div><div>If my comments above make me a rivet counter, I will wear that proudly.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 3:09 PM NW Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dad and I got some over 20 years ago.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ed Painter #70 from Narrows, VA</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 1:01 PM NW Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I assume Bowser did their research right. Those hoppers are on their new products list. When were quad hoppers introduced?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Bowser over 20 years ago produced models of the Pennsy hoppers including N&W and VGN versions. They were all red!
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 10:15 AM NW Mailing List <<a href="mailto:nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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I was under the same impression that some PRR quad hoppers were leased to both N&W and the VGN during the war. Bowser offers both N&W & VGN on their PRR Quads, so I am guessing they have some photographic evidence. </div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Wasn't there discussion about this some time recently that there were red hoppers on the Virginian during WWII when the Pennsylvania Railroad sent cars to help cover a shortage?</div>
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