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<div><br></div><div dir="ltr">John, list ...</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We discussed B&O grain doors four years ago, we can again. No problemo.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thread quoted below.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">B&O drawing cited, not attached.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jim Mischke</div><div dir="ltr">B&O Thought Police</div><div dir="ltr">Memory Unit </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>- - - - -</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> Jim Mischke <jmischke@att.net></div><div><b>To:</b> main@BaltimoreAndOhioRailroadList.groups.io <main@BaltimoreAndOhioRailroadList.groups.io></div><div><b>Cc:</b> Tom Greco <cmry@sbcglobal.net></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 14, 2021 at 03:48:22 PM MDT</div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [BaltimoreAndOhioRailroadList] Wooden Grain Doors</div><div><br></div>
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<div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Here is the Holbrook article online:</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">link: <a shape="rect" href="http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/97/6948/september-1992-page-6" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280enhancr_card_1115758817" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">TrainLife - September 1992 - Page 6</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fenhancr_card_1115758817" style="max-width: 400px; font-family: YahooSans, "Helvetica Neue", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; position: relative;" data-url="http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/97/6948/september-1992-page-6" data-type="YENHANCER" data-size="MEDIUM" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fyahoo-link-enhancr-card yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fymail-preserve-class yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fymail-preserve-style" contenteditable="false"><a shape="rect" href="http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/97/6948/september-1992-page-6" style="text-decoration:none !important;color:#000 !important;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fyahoo-enhancr-cardlink" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-wrapper yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fyahoo-ignore-table"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="400"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224, 228, 233);border-radius:2px;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fyahoo-ignore-table"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" background="https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/VTQGIC2otLXGhOxFBYTuIQ--~A/Zmk9ZmlsbDt3PTQwMDtoPTIwMDthcHBpZD1pZXh0cmFjdA--/http://original.trainlife.com/application/themes/trainlife1/images/morethanjustahobby_295x30.gif.cf.jpg" bgcolor="#000000" height="175" style="background-color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-size:cover;position:relative;border-top-left-radius:2px;border-top-right-radius:2px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;min-height:175px;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-primary-image-cell"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width:100%;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-overlay-container-table yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fyahoo-ignore-table"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" background="https://s.yimg.com/cv/ae/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV21/1/enhancr_gradient-400x175.png" bgcolor="transparent" style="background-color:transparent;border-top-left-radius:2px;border-top-right-radius:2px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;min-height:175px;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-overlay-cell"><table border="0" height="175" style="width:100%;min-height:175px;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fyahoo-ignore-table"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="text-align:left;padding:15px 0 0 15px;vertical-align:top;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-richInfo2"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="text-align:right;padding:15px 15px 0 0;vertical-align:top;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-actions"><div class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-share-container"></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"><table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:#fff;position:relative;z-index:2;width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0 0 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224, 228, 233);" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-info yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fyahoo-ignore-table"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="background-color:#ffffff;padding:16px 0 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0 0 0 2px;"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:YahooSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;border-radius:0 0 2px 0;"><h2 style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:YahooSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);max-width:314px;" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-title">TrainLife - September 1992 - Page 6</h2><p style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151, 155, 167);" class="yiv7309491960ydp13c0241ayiv4473503280ydp90e31d5fcard-description">TrainLife is dedicated to serving the model train and railroading community through magazines, articles, and oth...</p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I would assume you could find the Lofton articles on this site.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">These citations should keep you busy.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Friday, May 14, 2021, 03:41:40 PM MDT, Jim Mischke <jmischke@att.net> wrote:
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<div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Hi Tom,</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">There was a B&O standard grain door, two drawings and several articles.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Prototype citations: </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">"Grain Doors", Baltimore and Ohio Magazine, April 1928, v. 16, pp. 36-37, 39</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Herbert Corkran, "Cutting Down Grain Door Costs' Railway Age, June 1, 1928. v. 84, pp. 1283-84</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Articles are not identical. Both feature a drawing showing an ARA standard grain door, also labeled as B&O. Was this really a B&O grain door or a handy illustration attributed to B&O? Articles are mainly about their cost, saving money, reclaiming them from the consignees, management-employee cooperation, conscientious employees ..... </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Breifly mentioned is a house in Bermuda constructed mainly of B&O grain doors, so marked.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Modeling citations:</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Martin Lofton, "Grain Doors for Boxcars". Railmodel Journal, November 1990 pp. 16-21</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Martin Lofton, "Grain, Part I: Boxcars in Grain Service ..." Railmodel Journal, November 1990 pp. 22-25. (same issue as above, Part I suggests a subsequent Part II)</span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Don Holbrook, "Grain Doors", Railmodel Journal, September 1992 pp. 6-14</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">B&OHS Archives has a grain door assembly drawing T-40158, 3-31-1922, revision G, 11-5-56.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">JIm Mischke</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">The Railway Age volume 84 is readable and downloadable from Google books.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">link: <a shape="rect" 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On Friday, May 14, 2021, 02:18:26 PM MDT, Helen M. Beggane or / and Tom Greco <cmry@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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