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This is my first time posting to the list so please excuse any screwup(s). </div>
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My dad was a brakeman on the NYC/PC/CR at Dickinson, hired in November 1942 and retired in September 1986. He talked a lot about the Virginian (freight and passenger), so I can answer some things off the top of my head; others I can dig around a bit for, no
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Before the Kanawha River bridge, I'm fairly sure the VGN trains terminated at Deepwater and passengers had to board the C&O train to get to Charleston. After the bridge was finished, 3 & 4 definitely went all the way to the old Charleston K&M station via the
NYC using VGN crews. There was a small service facility in Charleston so the passenger engines must've been serviced there (versus at Dickinson like the VGN mallets on time freights).</div>
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DB was a NYC Tower at the north end of the bridge where the Virginian hit the NYC. At one time there was a freight agent and operator there but that was years ago.</div>
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2025 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC)<br>
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Michael,Just watched your video. Looks great. I showed it to my brother, who saw an engine you had him paint(the Virginian diesel).His name is Bob.Tom Anson<br>
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I get a note that the video is private and not available.? <br>
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Recorded last night's virtual tour and you can watch it on our YouTube site here:<br>
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I have been puzzling over the operation of VGN New River Division Trains 3<br>
and 4, as published in the Jan 1952 Official Guide. Copy attached as a PDF<br>
file. Here are the items I do not understand :<br>
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1. Did VGN trains 3 and 4 run into Charleston?<br>
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1A. If so, did the trains use C&O Charleston station, or NYC Charles<br>
station?<br>
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1B. If so, did the VGN crew take the train all the way, running over the<br>
C&O or NYC, or was the VGN crew and engine changed out for handling to<br>
Charleston by the crew and engine of the connecting road ?<br>
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1C. If No. 3 went to Charleston, where was the engine laid over and<br>
serviced?<br>
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1C. If crew and/or engine were changed for a C&O or NYC crew, where was<br>
this crew change done?<br>
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1D. Or did Train 3 terminate on the VGN at the hamlet of Deepwater or DB<br>
Tower, neither of which had a ticket office a depot (present population<br>
183) ?<br>
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1E. If the train terminated at Deepwater, were the crew and engine<br>
returned to Page for relief, layover and servicing ?<br>
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1F. The schedule carries Train 3 to DB Tower. What was at DB Tower? Was<br>
it an interlocking? Of so, was that the connection to the C&O or the NYC,<br>
and was it a VGN tower or a C&O or NYC tower ?<br>
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2. Did the same VGN Train Crew and same VGN Engine Crew take No. 3 all the<br>
way across the NewRiver Division, or were the crew and/or engine changed<br>
out at Princeton, or some other point ?<br>
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