Ash Hoists

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Challenging is an understatement Jim. It can get expensive too.  For 
example, the glass block windows. I tried to cast my own but I ended up with 
a mess. I never did have any luck getting the clear resin to cure hard and 
un-sticky. So I gave Depots by John a try. He was the only one I could find 
who made them.  At the time he also had problems casting them, but 
eventually he got them.  I figure the cost of my failed attempts and then 
buying sixteen windows from John ended up around $50. The two pits have 64 
lights. At about a buck something apiece. The florescent lights, about $60. 
Styrene and DPM wall modules, about $50.
It can also take time. I've been working on this project, on and off, for 
about two years now. I've got the wall made and the base is done. I haven't 
really decided yet how I want to make the roof. I'm about ready to make a 
casting of the roof vents. My problem is I get carried away with details. If 
I can see it in the prototype photo, I try to put it in the model. But hey, 
that's what model making is all about.
No doubt after I finish (I have too much time and money invested to give 
up), someone will make a kit of a N&W Lubritorum. Or I'll find one that you 
mentioned on eBay, BUY NOW $20.

I have a photo of a Lubritorum at NS's Bluefield terminal. Looks the same as 
the one I'm modeling except the roll up doors are on the outside.

Good luck with your project. I hope it goes faster and cheaper than mine.




>From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org

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>Subject: Re: Ash Hoists

>Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:07:16 -0400

>

>Gary,

>

>Great work!  Prototype modeling is full of challenges, but it is so 

>rewarding in my opinion.

>

>Years ago, I think it was 1992 when NWHS had its first Williamson 

>convention to celebrate the centenial of the Ohio Extension, someone 

>offered a HO kit of the Williamson Lubritorium, or long house.  It was made 

>up of hydrocal castings if I recall correctly.

>

>Shenandoah had its own lubritorium, but is was nothing more than a wooden 

>structure built over an inspection pit; ventilation was accomplished by the 

>fact that the roof sheathing was left off near the peak of the roof!  I'm 

>working on a model of this for my terminal.

>

>Best wishes and continued happy modeling.

>

>Jim Brewer

>

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>Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:57 AM

>Subject: Re: Ash Hoists

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>

>>Thanks for the compliment Jim. From the information I have, there were 

>>only two modern ash handling plants built before the switch to diesel 

>>locomotives. One at Williamson terminal and the other was at the Schaffer 

>>Terminal. They were a take off from ash handling plants for large 

>>industrial coal burning furnaces.

>>I learned about the modern ash handling plant from the book, "Steam 

>>Locomotive Coaling Stations and Diesel Locomotive Fueling Facilities" 

>>Compiled by Thomas W. Dixon, Jr., TLC Publishing

>>http://www.tlcrailroadbooks.com/cgi-bin/tlcstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=x22

>>

>>It was only a couple photos and some text, so I started to do more 

>>research. I have to say I got very lucky.

>>

>>Another source is the April 1947 issue of Trains Magazine.

>>http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe?opt=I&MAG=TRN&MO=4&YR=1947&output=3&sort=A

>>

>>Also I was able to find a copy of Vern French's book "The Norfolk & 

>>Western Railway: Williamson Terminal - 1953"

>>http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe?opt=I&MAG=BOOK&MO=2&YR=1992&output=3

>>

>>I searched the VA Tech site, before the change, and found a few other 

>>photos I didn't see before. If a detail is in the photo, it's on the 

>>model, even if it's hidden. What I couldn't see in the photos or find in 

>>writen text, I had to guess at. Modelers license, if you will. Then I 

>>found a few more photos after I started construction. Oh well, some of the 

>>guess work wasn't too far off. I still don't know what the long objects 

>>were that run parallel to the outer rails between pits, so I'm leaving 

>>them out for now. I still have other details, like the light poles and 

>>piping, to add when the model is placed on the layout. 

>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/finltpole01.jpg

>>

>>Basically It's scratch built from Evergreen and Plastruct styrene strips, 

>>sheets and tubing. The brick pump house walls are cut down DPM plain two 

>>story wall modules. The silo was kit-bashed from a Model Power Grain Silo. 

>>Handrail are brass wire.

>>I know the model isn't an exact in every detail, but I feel it represents 

>>the prototype idea.

>>

>>Presently I'm working on building a two bay N&W "Lubeitorium". It's like a 

>>Quickie Lube for locos.

>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/nw193.jpg

>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/nw842.jpg

>>

>>When I started the project, I only found photos of the two bay facility. 

>>It was outfitted with banks of florescent lights. I was stuck for quite a 

>>while trying to figure out how to make HO scale florescent lights. But I 

>>think I was able to make a reasonable  facsimile of them.

>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/FLORESCENTLAMP1.jpg

>>

>>There's more on how I made them on Model Railroader Forum

>>http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58247

>>

>>I started more than a year ago here.

>>http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=33172

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org

>>>Reply-To: N and W Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>To: "N and W Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>Subject: Re: Ash Hoists

>>>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:52:38 -0400

>>>

>>>Gary,

>>>

>>>Thanks for your response and the information.  I'll check out the 

>>>Walthers model as it appears very close to what I believe was at 

>>>Shenandoah.  The model would require some modifications but otherwise 

>>>appears to be a great starting point.  I usually buy a Walthers catalog 

>>>every year but didn't get a 2006 yet!

>>>

>>>Your model of the Williamson ash handling plant is fantastic.  I'm sure 

>>>Editor Greever would love to have an article on your prototype research 

>>>and your modeling effort!

>>>

>>>Thanks again for your response.

>>>

>>>Jim Brewer

>>>

>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>To: <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:52 PM

>>>Subject: RE: Ash Hoists

>>>

>>>

>>>>Since the VA Tech site changed, I haven't been able to find much of 

>>>>anything there either.

>>>>

>>>>Sorry I don't know exactly which type of ash conveyor N&W used at 

>>>>Shenandoah Jim, but it probably was a Robertson. Scale Structures makses 

>>>>a Robertson Cinder Conveyor

>>>>http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/650-1110

>>>>

>>>>The model is the hydralic type. It could be converted to electric. I 

>>>>built two but then desided to model the modern ash handeling plant at 

>>>>Williamson Yard.

>>>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/nw035.jpeg

>>>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/nw027.jpg

>>>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/nw205.jpg

>>>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/nw053.jpg

>>>>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-2/1148725/ashplant.jpg

>>>>

>>>>The modern ash plant used water to wash the pit clean using high 

>>>>pressure jets. The pit would empty into a slice trough and into a silo 

>>>>where the ash and water were seperated. The ash was  would be emptied 

>>>>into a open hopper car.

>>>>

>>>>A good reference book about coaling stations, including ash handeling, 

>>>>is "Steam Locomotive Coaling Stations and Diesel Locomotive Fueling 

>>>>Facilities, compiled by Thomas W. Dixon, Jr. T.L.C. publishing

>>>>http://www.tlcrailroadbooks.com/cgi-bin/tlcstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=x22

>>>>

>>>>Gary Setter

>>>>

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>>>>>Reply-To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>To: "N&W Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>>>>>Subject: Ash Hoists

>>>>>Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:44:59 -0400

>>>>>

>>>>>I am looking for information and photos on the ash hoists at 

>>>>>Shenandoah, VA.

>>>>>

>>>>>A search of ash hoist on the VA Tech web site yielded nothing.

>>>>>

>>>>>A search of my NWHS Archives CD turns up no specific entries for these 

>>>>>hoists.  There are a number of entries for other locations.

>>>>>

>>>>>Apparently, there were two types (maybe more) of hoists used by N&W, 

>>>>>electric and pneumatic.

>>>>>

>>>>>Can anyone provide information on the Shenandoah hoists?  I'd like to 

>>>>>model these as closely as possible.

>>>>>

>>>>>Any help will be greatly appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>>Jim Brewer

>>>>>Glenwood MD

>>>>

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