Arrow and added baggage cars

[NW Modeling List]

Sorry, that sent by mistake.

I'm debating reproducing the waybills...etc. in cardstock, to use as the
actual props on my layout.

That's a decent modeling committee idea: make the forms to operate with? Or
some sunset.

David Baker

On Sun, Jan 5, 2025, 2:07 PM David Baker <debaker02 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah that's it,
>
> This falls into a few paperwork items that are useful to modelers. I
> recommend buying a copy.
>
> Here is a quick picture of other forms of books I'm debating using in some
> fashion.
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> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025, 10:50 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Roger
>>
>> It is available at
>>
>> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=80715
>>
>> It is close to complete, but missing a few trains, which may never have
>> had sheets issued.
>>
>> It is also a snapshot, dated 1954, that changed over the next few years.
>>
>> Best
>> Ken Miller
>>
>> > On Jan 5, 2025, at 10:09 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > David,
>> >
>> > Where can we see this document you mentioned?
>> >
>> > Roger Huber
>> > Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, January 5, 2025 at 06:28:34 AM CST, NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm not sure if you know about this document, but it's amazing for late
>> steam passenger train modeling. You can see where the head end and sleepers
>> went and the consists.
>> >
>> > The copy paste is error prone, but you can get the message.
>> >
>> > NORFOLK AND WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY
>> > TRAN SPORTATI ON DEPhfi’I’MENT
>> > --o--
>> > CONSIST OF ALL MnIN LINE PASSENGER TRAINS
>> > --o--
>> > Revised and Reissued, March 15, l954
>> >
>> > David Baker
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 4, 2025, 9:44 AM NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> > Walter
>> >
>> > The Arrow as originally planned in 1945-46 was a seven car train. That
>> was why the order with Pullman-Standard included, two P-1 locker or crew
>> cars, two P2 partitioned coaches, 10, P3 58-seat coaches, four D-1 diners
>> (two for the Pocahontas) and two P-4 observation lounge cars.
>> >
>> > The seven-car trains were to be set up as follows:
>> >
>> > One P1 Coach or Locker Car with space for dining car crew and coach
>> seats
>> > One P2 Coach, partitioned coach for race separation to meet Virginia law
>> > Three P3 Coaches
>> > One D1 diner
>> > One P4 Observation Lounge
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, the railroad fairly quickly learned, with the Arrow
>> having run since April 1946, that three coaches were frequently too much,
>> so it was cut back to one or two P3 coaches, depending on load and days of
>> the week.
>> >
>> > Traffic never picked up except for holiday travel and other rare
>> occasions.
>> > By the early 1950s, the P1s were converted to full coaches with a
>> smoking section.
>> >
>> > The train did not handle checked baggage, but about early 1957, a
>> combine was added to the consist, I assume to handle some checked baggage.
>> >
>> > Along about the same time, it was not unusual to see a mail-storage car
>> in the consist, that had been late arriving for another train.
>> >
>> > The N&W began a big effort to eliminate as much passenger service as
>> possible. With attempted adjustments of the schedule with the timetable
>> change at the end of April 1957 the RPO was placed in the Arrow west of
>> Bluefield. I believe it might have been with schedule changes on the
>> Cavalier, I’ve got a whole file on it, just not in hand at the moment.
>> >
>> > By early 1959, the round-end observation-lounge cars were parked and by
>> May sold off.
>> >
>> > A few years later, the Arrow was then combined with the Cavalier,
>> further slowing the schedule, and it was finally allowed to die in May 1969
>> as part of the upgrade of the Pocahontas.
>> >
>> > Best
>> > Ken Miller
>> >
>> > > On Jan 4, 2025, at 7:08 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Does anyone know when the Arrow started adding baggage and/or post
>> office cars to the consists of the original 5 car trains?  Walter Davis in
>> Youngsville, NC
>> > > --
>> > > Walter Davis
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