<div dir="ltr">Chris,<div>I have the same feelings. All the HH N&W C425's were delivered in Black with written out Norfolk and Western on the long hood with half moon herolds. My 2 shots of 1013 in 1974 were still in the as delivered paint. Post 1974 any repaints would have been done using the black NW scheme. I guess there is a remote possibility that someone may have become creative and brought the blue paint scheme back to life............perhaps Decatur? Ken Miller and I had such discussions today. That would seem a bit crazy. Basic logic when you look at all things here makes me think it was never painted blue.</div><div><br></div><div>Ed Painter - from Narrows, VA living in Cohutta, GA </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 11:17 AM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Ed,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for sharing these. Your shots of 1013 are of higher fidelity than mine. While I think it is instinctive to draw the conclusion that the late heavily weathered image of 1013 is faded Pevler Blue, I’m really doubtful that 1013 ever received the actual blue paint job. I think what we’re seeing as faded blue is actually the breakdown of the factory black over Alco’s red oxide primer. Considering its appearance it seems ironic that 1013 ended up being the survivor.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Chris Dalton </div><div>Bluefield, WV</div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone<div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 20, 2025, at 6:28 AM, NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">My last note had 2 pictures of 1013 attached.<div><br></div><div>Ed</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 11:32 PM Edwin Painter <<a href="mailto:edwinpainter@gmail.com" target="_blank">edwinpainter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I've got shots of all the low hood exWabash C425's. I've got shots of 1011 through 1016. These units are all black with written out N&W and 1/2 moon herolds in yellow. As for 1013 I have one shot that shows it in what appears to be faded blue but other shots that clearly appear to show it in black?????? <div><br></div><div>Ed Painter</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 9:16 PM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Brent,<div>I have a photo of the 1013 on the dead line adjacent to Shenandoah Avenue in Roanoke in August 1981. It looks to be badly faded Pevler Blue with a large swath of rust along the mid section of the engineers side long hood. I’d be surprised if it ever received any additional paint before it was sold. In the prior summer of 1980, I got a shot of the 1007 in the same vicinity. It was wearing a somewhat uncouth hybrid paint scheme. The paint was weathered black with a dulux gold half moon herald and road number on the cab side yet the engineers side long hood was adorned with the Fishwick era large white “NW”. I don’t ever recall seeing another paint job quite like it!</div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Chris Dalton </div><div>Bluefield, WV<br id="m_2364946552995752158m_7264945575212830122m_-1988188418903711162m_6669482754384237883lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 19, 2025, at 7:00 PM, NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">I’ll look through my pictures of C425s after I get home later this afternoon. I don’t recall any C425’s in that scheme. C420s 413 and 417 both had the large N&W scheme.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ed Painter, Narrows, VA</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 5:11 PM NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Thanks Ken, that definitely answered my question. I had remembered seeing one of the C420 units in the "n & w" black livery and just wondered if any of the C425's might have also gotten it.</div>
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<div>Brent<br>
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The Archives does not have a huge selection of photos of and C425, but the 1013 in the large “N&W” scheme does not seem likely, as this photo from the Archives:<br>
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Depicts it stored in 1984 in very faded blue, and it was sold that year.<br>
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Bob Bowers database on our website indicated it was stored in 2019 awaiting wheel work. The only thing I can find is a photo of it stored at Gowand, NY taken in July, that shows it continuing to deteriorate with lots of rusty paint. If it needs wheel work,
it likely may not be able to move or interchange without that work being done.<br>
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Seems a shame to see it rotting into the ground, but likely the cost of moving it prohibits much museum opportunity.<br>
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So it could be offered in original black, and the blue and gold schemes.<br>
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Ken Miller<br>
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> On Oct 19, 2025, at 1:42 PM, NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Since #1013 lasted the longest on the N&W roster, as well as still out there operating somewhere, I would think that would be the logical choice. I will commit to purchasing a #1013 through the Society if offered, with the proviso that it would have to be
in the as delivered scheme (black with the hamburger style heralds)<br>
> <br>
> Does anyone know if this unit might have ever received the short-lived Black with "n & w" scheme? I've seen photos of it in Blue and looking in dire need of a repaint. Just wondering if it got it or not.<br>
> <br>
> Brent<br>
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> Dr. J. Brent GreerFrom: NW-Modeling-List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list-bounces@nwhs.org</a>> on behalf of NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>><br>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2025 8:46 AM<br>
> To: NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: Bowser announcement<br>
> James,<br>
> Thanks for your reply and clearing up the numbering that I had mis-read. So it looks like we could ask Bowser to do an odd number for us if enough folks were interested in buying one. Give me a show of hands if you would purchase one from the Society in
a unique number.<br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jim Cochran <br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 7:50 AM NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Bowser is offering four numbers: 1008, 1010, 1014, 1016.<br>
> Numbers are the same for DCC ready and with DCC Sound.<br>
> I modeled 1013 since it was the last retired and remained on the roster the longest.<br>
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> Not sure on the EL units matching the ex-Wabash units. Appears the EL units have dynamic brakes where the Wabash units did not.<br>
> <br>
>> On Oct 18, 2025, at 05:55, NW Modeling List <<a href="mailto:nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org" target="_blank">nw-modeling-list@nwhs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> OK,<br>
>> I have done a little more looking and it appears that Bowser is offering all 10 HH models already. However, the LH photos from their ad show EL units that seem to match up well with my photo of N&W 1003. Please let me know if this is correct.<br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Jim<br>
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> James Wall<br>
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