[StBernard] Why we need to revamp the American System of Liberalism Acceptance to Science-over-God

[Westley Annis]

This Iraqi-(American) has learned to abuse the American way of life with
such a degree of selfishness, deceit and abuse that it baffles Americans
into disgust. I'm outraged and all Americans should be also at this
"OctiMom" or in this case: "Septi-Mom-Doubled"


Sickening, isn't it? Does anyone know how many kids are average to an Iraqi
or Iraqui-American? This cannot be normal. Most people would be working
toward birth control after 1 or 2. Aren't times a bit different than the 4-6
kids of Pre-50's where the only preferred control of excessive kid-machines
was the rhythm method and abstinence and the census population was 50-60%
less in overcrowding?


Her mother is sickened by her reckless actions. Why shouldn't we be?
Hopefully Louisiana  and St. Bernard, etc. doesn't allow such blatant abuse.
For one thing, there's no "hospital" in place for such "emergencies" and we
doubt they'll build a hurried hospital in the 8 or so months it took for her
to "Pour out here aggression through irresponsibility.


Let's now go after the IVF physican who allowed it and her if criminal
actions are revealed. 


--jer--


Nadya Suleman? (Guiterrez) (Solomon) etc.


-------Who IS Nadya Suleman---------


Nadya Suleman, age 33, gave birth to octuplets
<http://www.mahalo.com/California_Octuplets>  in California
<http://www.mahalo.com/California> , on January 26
<http://www.mahalo.com/January_26> , 2009 <http://www.mahalo.com/2009> . The
unwed mother already had six children under the age of seven, all conceived
by in vitro fertilization <http://www.mahalo.com/In_Vitro_Fertilization> ,
before conceiving the octuplets in the same way. Suleman's extraordinary
conception has been the focus of an ethical debate.1
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-MSNBC-0>  

In February 2009, Suleman said the treatment for the in vitro fertilization
that resulted in the octuplets was provided by a physician at the West Coast
IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills, formerly known as the West Coast Infertility
Medical Clinic. The treatment is believed to have been provided by the
clinic's medical director Michael Kamrava
<http://www.mahalo.com/Michael_Kamrava> .2
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-SFC-1>  


Fast Facts


1.	Age: 33 years old in 20093
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-SUN-2>  
2.	Worked at the Metropolitan State Hospital from 1997 and 20061
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-MSNBC-0> 4
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-SF-3>  
3.	Divorced Marcos Gutierrez in January 20085
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-ABC-4>  
4.	All of Suleman's children were conceived via in vitro fertilization
<http://www.mahalo.com/In_Vitro_Fertilization> 1
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-MSNBC-0>  
5.	All the children have the same biological father1
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-MSNBC-0>  
6.	Graduated from Cal State Fullerton with a bachelors of science in
child development in 2006 <http://www.mahalo.com/2006> 6
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-GIRL-5>  
7.	Mother of six before giving birth to octuplets on January 26, 20097
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-tol01-6>  
8.	Lives in her parent's house in Whittier, California3
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-SUN-2>  
9.	Children's ages: Seven, six, five, three and two-year old twins,
eight newborn babies (six boys and two girls)8
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-CNN-7>  
10.	Babies have been named Noah, Hiya, Jonah, Isaiah, Nariah, Jeremiah,
McCai and Josiah9 <http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-8>  
11.	One of the children is autistic7
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-tol01-6>  
12.	Nadya's father is originally from Iraq <http://www.mahalo.com/Iraq>
10 <http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-CBS-9>  
13.	The family's 1500-square-foot home is located in Whittier,
California6 <http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-GIRL-5>  
14.	Grandmother Angela Suleman filed for bankruptcy and had to abandon
their home about a year-and-a-half before the octuplets were born10
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-CBS-9> 6
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-GIRL-5>  
15.	Nadya's father said they have "another huge house" and told
reporters, "You are never going to know where it is"3
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-SUN-2>  
16.	Nadya's father said he would return to Iraq to work as a translator
and driver7 <http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-tol01-6>  
17.	Claimed on Ann Curry's Interview that no social welfare was
received? What??? See article below.


Octuplets


On January 30, 2009, a woman, later reported to be Nadya Suleman, gave birth
to octuplets at the Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in
California. The babies, six girls and two boys, were born healthy despite
being nine weeks premature. The babies' grandmother said that Nadya Suleman
had undergone fertility treatment.8
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-CNN-7>  This was later
confirmed by Nadya Suleman in an interview with Ann Curry. All the children
were conceived by IVF.1
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-MSNBC-0>  


Back Injury


In 1999, Suleman was injured while trying to restrain a patient at the
mental hospital where she worked as a psychiatric technician. According to
reports, Suleman was hit in the back with a desk by a patient. In August
<http://www.mahalo.com/August>  2008, it was found that 90% of her back
injury was work related and 10% was due to pregnancy. In December
<http://www.mahalo.com/December>  2001 <http://www.mahalo.com/2001> ,
Suleman said she had spent most of her days in bed and was unable to care
for her newborn. Suleman, who is now unable to work because of her injury,
collected over $165,000 in disability payments from the state of
California.4 <http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-SF-3>  


NBC Interview


On February 6 <http://www.mahalo.com/February_6> , 2009, NBC
<http://www.mahalo.com/NBC>  aired part of an interview by Ann Curry
<http://www.mahalo.com/Ann_Curry>  with Suleman. The full interview will air
on the Today show on February 9 <http://www.mahalo.com/February_9> , 2009,
and on Dateline <http://www.mahalo.com/Dateline>  on February 10
<http://www.mahalo.com/February_10> , 2009. Suleman said that she dreamed of
having a "huge family" because she lacked a "feeling of self and identity"
and defended herself against the accusations that she is "selfish."1
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-MSNBC-0>  On the same day,
it was revealed that Suleman, who suffers from a "depressive disorder,"
collected nearly $168,000 for a work-related back injury she sustained in
1999.4 <http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-SF-3>  


Octuplet's mom on food stamps, publicist saysThree of Nadya Suleman's older
kids also get federal support for disabilities:


Nadya Suleman, the mother of the octuplets born last month, gets $490 a
month in food stamps, the Los Angeles Times reported Monday evening. Three
of her first children also get federal supplemental security income because
they are disabled, the Times reported.

Suleman's publicist, Michael Furtney, confirmed the information. 

During an interview with Ann Curry on the TODAY show, Suleman denied being
on welfare. (Msnbc.com is a joint venture of NBC Universal and Microsoft
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29110391/> .)

Suleman told NBC News correspondent Ann Curry in an interview that she was
not receiving welfare <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29086126/> . Furtney said
Suleman didn't consider the food stamps and SSI to be welfare. 

"In Nadya's view, the money that she gets from the food stamp program ...
and the resources disabilities payments she gets for her three children are
not welfare," he said. "They are part of programs designed to help people
with need, and she does not see that as welfare." 

	

Furtney declined to say what kinds of disabilities the three children have,
the Times reported. 

During the interview with Curry, Suleman said, "I'm not receiving help from
the government. I'm not trying to expect anything from anybody. [I] just
wanted to do it on my own. Any resources that someone would really, really
want to help us, I will accept, I would embrace."

Curry told Suleman that many people think she had the octuplets in the hope
of making money off her story.

"That's funny how untrue that is," Suleman said. "Money? Money is necessary
to raise children. But it's - it's paper. It is paper. To me, it is
superfluous in contrast to the importance of my kids."

NBC chief medical editor Dr. Nancy Snyderman has estimated the cost of
delivering the infants and caring for them until they are healthy enough to
leave the hospital at $1.5 million to $3 million. -MS-NBC


Statement by Angela Suleman


"We understand that you are all curious about the arrival of the octuplets,
and we appreciate your respect for our family's privacy. Please know in our
own time, we will share additional details about this miraculous experience.
The babies continue to grow strong every day and make good progress. My
family and I are ecstatic about their arrival. Needless to say, the eighth
was a surprise to us all, but a blessing as well. We thank all of you for
the positive thoughts, prayers and generosity."-Statement from octuplets'
mother read by Dr. Karen Maples11
<http://www.mahalo.com/Nadya_Suleman#guide_note-LAT-10>