HO scale decals (NW Modeling List)

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Tue Sep 22 19:17:00 EDT 2020 

This is just a question for th group what do y’all think the odds would be that we could get a plastic or die cast model of the N&W K2 K2A Streamlined locomotives in ho scale? Thanks for your thoughts and hope everyone is doing well.

Sincerely,
Jeff Mueller

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 5:03 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> I like your idea and would use the decals you propose.
> 
> Walter Davis, Youngsville, NC
> 
> On 9/22/2020 11:24 AM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>> One other factor to consider when the time comes to put together the decal sheet.  Do you include extra builders plates and class badges for known factory painted models that are lacking them, like the Broadway A's and J's?  Bare in mind I am not expecting an answer on this, just trying to generate discussion as Shellscale and the Society decide what needs to be included in the set, and how many of each.  But I do think there will be a market not just for people painting models for the first time, but also people who have either factory or custom painted models that they would want to go back and add these details to.  If I have to buy 6 sets to apply builders plates to 8 engines, I will, but if I could do the same number of engines and only buy 2 sets, that would be great.  It all depends on how many decals you have to arrange on the sheet, or sheets (A lot of Shellscale sets have used 2 sheets).
>> 
>> Also, one revision I like on the most recent Microscale sheet is they supplied black backgrounds for the builders plates, which makes a big difference if applying them to an engine with a smoke box that lacks the boiler jacketing.  
>> 
>> Marty Flick
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>> While excursion era 611 decals have no interest for me I think Marty has the right idea. If going for the ultimate steam set then that should also be a part of it.
>> 
>> Roger Huber
>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020, 03:46:10 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> Not to open up a can of worms, because I know some people are sensitive about this, but any possibility of throwing in a couple of excursion era graphics for 611 on the decal sheet?  For example, decals for the Robert Claytor plaque and the "I am the thoroughbred of steam..." sticker?
>> 
>> I'd buy the set either way, but if we are going for the ultimate N&W steam decal set, why not include as much as possible?
>> 
>> Marty Flick
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>> Richard and I have already been discussing this and it will be correct. Believe me.
>> 
>> Besides builders and class plates, I am thinking headlight number boards, number plates, all sizes and designs of steam, cabside lettering, appropriate tender tank lettering, etc. etc.
>> 
>> Ken Miller
>> 
>> > On Sep 20, 2020, at 1:39 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> > All
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>> > I would love to see some N&W Steam Decals produced with research and techniques up to 2020 standards. The B&O folks just got a set in the last year with the correct lettering style. Archive research throughout the hobby has brought these fine details to the fore. Let's include a detailed usage guide so you don't have to guess about which lettering size goes where.
>> > 
>> > But please let's not forget about some of the smaller size locos like G, M and W and maybe we can get some of those older brass models out of closets and from underneath layouts and taking places of honor on top of the layout. No. 6 has gathered a lot of dust waiting.
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>> >> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 07:21:04 +0000 (UTC)
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>> >> It would be nice to have these decals in n-scale.
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>> >> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: HO N&W Steam Decals
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>> >> Marty,
>> >> 
>> >> I checked the ShellSclae, K4, and Tichy offerings but there is nothing
>> >> really on point; Tichy offers the stripe set for the J, and has a generic
>> >> set of builders plates. Otherwise zilch. Perhaps the NWHS Modeling
>> >> committee could address this issue.
>> >> 
>> >> Jim Brewer
>> >> 
>> >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:48 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> Other than Microscale, are there any choices for HO scale N&W steam
>> >>> locomotive decals that include the builders plates and class badges? I
>> >>> ordered Microscale's latest revision, and while it does finally put the
>> >>> builders plates and class badges in more of a bronze or brass color instead
>> >>> of dulux gold like the lettering, it still has a poor selection of classes
>> >>> repesented on the plates and badges. There are no A's, and no Y's other
>> >>> than Y6b. Their O scale revision includes these additional classes, so it
>> >>> is frustrating that the HO version still does not. I've looked around but
>> >>> can't find any currently in production other than Microscale. I know the
>> >>> Champ sets don't have the plates and badges I am looking for. Are there
>> >>> any options besides finding an appropriately sized "A" in another set and
>> >>> combining it with the Microscale?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Marty Flick
>> >>> 
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>> >> I agree, But I doubt if it will be done, We seem to be in the minority
>> >> 
>> >> Joe Grzelak
>> >> 
>> >> On 9/20/2020 3:21 AM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>> >>> It would be nice to have these decals in n-scale.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Jeff Wood
>> >>> 
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>> >> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: HO N&W Steam Decals
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>> >> Marty
>> >> 
>> >> The Society can do the N&W steam decals, the Microscale set is a bit undersized for the 10 inch letters. However, we have to order a fairly high number of sets to keep the pricing reasonable, and therefore demand must be there for the investment of time.
>> >> 
>> >> They can be done with correct builder?s plates and class plates (Class J plates were chromed, I believe the streamlined K2 plates were also chromed) and bronze for most of the others, the Y3s were cast iron I know for sure, class plates bronze.
>> >> 
>> >> We could also include the correct early small cab size lettering, and the aluminum color lettering for passenger power.
>> >> 
>> >> It all depends on demand.
>> >> 
>> >> Best
>> >> Ken Miller
>> >> 
>> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 10:41 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Marty,
>> >>> 
>> >>> I checked the ShellSclae, K4, and Tichy offerings but there is nothing really on point; Tichy offers the stripe set for the J, and has a generic set of builders plates. Otherwise zilch. Perhaps the NWHS Modeling committee could address this issue.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Jim Brewer
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:48 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>> Other than Microscale, are there any choices for HO scale N&W steam locomotive decals that include the builders plates and class badges? I ordered Microscale's latest revision, and while it does finally put the builders plates and class badges in more of a bronze or brass color instead of dulux gold like the lettering, it still has a poor selection of classes repesented on the plates and badges. There are no A's, and no Y's other than Y6b. Their O scale revision includes these additional classes, so it is frustrating that the HO version still does not. I've looked around but can't find any currently in production other than Microscale. I know the Champ sets don't have the plates and badges I am looking for. Are there any options besides finding an appropriately sized "A" in another set and combining it with the Microscale?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Marty Flick
>> >>> 
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>> >> Message: 5
>> >> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:30:38 +0000
>> >> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: HO N&W Steam Decals
>> >> Message-ID: <mailman.1095.1600619825.10487.nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >> 
>> >> Two questions then:
>> >> How do we show our interest for the Society to gauge demand?
>> >> Rather than the Society invest in the production, could you first
>> >> engage with MicroScale to offer a further update of their decal?
>> >> Marty Flick
>> >> 
>> >> -----------------------------------------From: "NW Modeling List" 
>> >> To: "NW Modeling List"
>> >> Cc: 
>> >> Sent: Sunday September 20 2020 12:23:08PM
>> >> Subject: Re: HO N&W Steam Decals
>> >> 
>> >> Marty
>> >> 
>> >> The Society can do the N&W steam decals, the Microscale set is a bit
>> >> undersized for the 10 inch letters. However, we have to order a fairly
>> >> high number of sets to keep the pricing reasonable, and therefore
>> >> demand must be there for the investment of time.
>> >> 
>> >> They can be done with correct builder?s plates and class plates
>> >> (Class J plates were chromed, I believe the streamlined K2 plates were
>> >> also chromed) and bronze for most of the others, the Y3s were cast
>> >> iron I know for sure, class plates bronze.
>> >> 
>> >> We could also include the correct early small cab size lettering, and
>> >> the aluminum color lettering for passenger power.
>> >> 
>> >> It all depends on demand.
>> >> 
>> >> Best
>> >> Ken Miller
>> >> 
>> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 10:41 AM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Marty,
>> >>> 
>> >>> I checked the ShellSclae, K4, and Tichy offerings but there is
>> >> nothing really on point; Tichy offers the stripe set for the J, and
>> >> has a generic set of builders plates. Otherwise zilch. Perhaps the
>> >> NWHS Modeling committee could address this issue.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Jim Brewer
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:48 PM NW Modeling List wrote:
>> >>> Other than Microscale, are there any choices for HO scale N&W steam
>> >> locomotive decals that include the builders plates and class badges? I
>> >> ordered Microscale's latest revision, and while it does finally put
>> >> the builders plates and class badges in more of a bronze or brass
>> >> color instead of dulux gold like the lettering, it still has a poor
>> >> selection of classes repesented on the plates and badges. There are no
>> >> A's, and no Y's other than Y6b. Their O scale revision includes these
>> >> additional classes, so it is frustrating that the HO version still
>> >> does not. I've looked around but can't find any currently in
>> >> production other than Microscale. I know the Champ sets don't have the
>> >> plates and badges I am looking for. Are there any options besides
>> >> finding an appropriately sized "A" in another set and combining it
>> >> with the Microscale?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Marty Flick
>> >>> 
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>> >> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: HO scale decals
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>> >> Microscale does offer their N&W steam set in N scale. I believe it is
>> >> identical to the HO, so the limited builders plates and class badges
>> >> remain. If Microscale were to further revise their HO set, the N scale
>> >> would probably receive the same updates.
>> >> Marty Flick
>> >> 
>> >> -----------------------------------------From: "NW Modeling List" 
>> >> To: "NW Modeling List"
>> >> Cc: 
>> >> Sent: Sunday September 20 2020 11:43:08AM
>> >> Subject: Re: HO scale decals
>> >> 
>> >> I agree, But I doubt if it will be done, We seem to be in the
>> >> minority 
>> >> 
>> >> Joe Grzelak
>> >> On 9/20/2020 3:21 AM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>> >> It would be nice to have these decals in n-scale. 
>> >> Jeff Wood 
>> >> 
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>> >> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >> To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
>> >> Subject: Re: HO N&W Steam Decals
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>> >> ?Up to the minute update: With the assistance of the Society, ShellScale Decals will be producing the steam set in 2021 in HO, O and N Scale.?If you are familiar with our quality you know this will be a good thing.?Richard D. ShellShellScale Decals?In a message dated 9/20/2020 12:37:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes:?
>> >> Two questions then:?How do we show our interest for the Society to gauge demand??Rather than the Society invest in the production, could you first engage with MicroScale to offer a further update of their decal??Marty Flick
>> >> 
>> >> ?
>> >> -----------------------------------------
>> >> From: "NW Modeling List" 
>> >> To: "NW Modeling List"
>> >> Cc: 
>> >> Sent: Sunday September 20 2020 12:23:08PM
>> >> Subject: Re: HO N&W Steam Decals
>> >> 
>> >> Marty
>> >> 
>> >> The Society can do the N&W steam decals, the Microscale set is a bit undersized for the 10 inch letters. However, we have to order a fairly high number of sets to keep the pricing reasonable, and therefore demand must be there for the investment of time.
>> >> 
>> >> They can be done with correct builder?s plates and class plates (Class J plates were chromed, I believe the streamlined K2 plates were also chromed) and bronze for most of the others, the Y3s were cast iron I know for sure, class plates bronze.
>> >> 
>> >> We could also include the correct early small cab size lettering, and the aluminum color lettering for passenger power.
>> >> 
>> >> It all depends on demand.
>> >> 
>> >> Best
>> >> Ken Miller
>> >> 
>> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 10:41 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Marty,
>> >>> 
>> >>> I checked the ShellSclae, K4, and Tichy offerings but there is nothing really on point; Tichy offers the stripe set for the J, and has a generic set of builders plates. Otherwise zilch. Perhaps the NWHS Modeling committee could address this issue.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Jim Brewer
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:48 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>> Other than Microscale, are there any choices for HO scale N&W steam locomotive decals that include the builders plates and class badges? I ordered Microscale's latest revision, and while it does finally put the builders plates and class badges in more of a bronze or brass color instead of dulux gold like the lettering, it still has a poor selection of classes repesented on the plates and badges. There are no A's, and no Y's other than Y6b. Their O scale revision includes these additional classes, so it is frustrating that the HO version still does not. I've looked around but can't find any currently in production other than Microscale. I know the Champ sets don't have the plates and badges I am looking for. Are there any options besides finding an appropriately sized "A" in another set and combining it with the Microscale?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Marty Flick
>> >>> 
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