Ampersand (&) on N&W box cars?

[NW Modeling List]

Ken,

I had heard the same story about R. H. Smith and the ampersand.  I don't
recall who told me about this. Perhaps someone with N&W noticed the other
roads with "and" spelled it out, i. e., Baltimore and Ohio.  Like you said,
who knows?

Jim Brewer

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:00 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:

> Thanks Jim
>
> The change from the ampersand kind of fits with the story I was told
> almost 50 years back, that someone had told R.H. Smith that using the
> ampersand in the road name was incorrect and he had it changed.
>
> Legend? Who knows?
>
> Best
> Ken Miller
>
> > On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:41 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > The change from Norfolk & Western to Norfolk and Western was effective
> December 2, 1947 based upon my research notes from the Revision Books.
> >
> > The increase in the height of ,and Western from 7" to 9" was issued
> first for Class SK stock cars, dated January 15, 1953; the remaining
> classes of boxcars using the road name, the date for change from 7" to 9"
> was February 25, 1953.
> >
> > The increase of height of N&W from 17" to 24", and end
> lettering/numbering from 4" to 7" was October 21, 1952 for Class H-2, H-2A
> and H-3; effective December 17, 1952 for G-3A, G-4, G3, G-1, G-2, GU and
> GUb; effective February 25, 1953 for HC, HC-1 HC-2, HC-3, HC-3A, HC-4, H-4,
> H-5,H-7, H-7A, H-8
> >
> > The elimination of the 1" or 1 1/2" bar above and below the reporting
> marks was effective November 15, 1956.
> >
> > Jim Brewer
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:35 PM NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> > Dutch
> >
> > It is not always as easily said to search for things as it sounds. You
> also have to have kind of an idea of the answer before you can search
> accurately. In this case, I knew the ampersand was used at least in the
> 1920s-1930s, so I searched for examples of cars built or operating during
> that time, that got me to searching for Class BJ, BK, B1, B2, B3 boxcars.
> Of course there are others, but that is what I started with, and found most
> of what I wanted as examples.
> >
> > But yes, the archives had a great volume and depth of materials. I am
> looking for the date the white lines were eliminated from above and below
> the reporting marks and numbers. Yes, I believe it was about 1957, but
> don’t have the archive information in hand, have to do that when I am there
> and have the time to dig that out.
> >
> > Best
> > Ken Miller
> >
> > > On Sep 18, 2021, at 12:33 PM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Ken!
> > > Those pics are very much appreciated.  I’m a bit embarrassed I wasn’t
> able to find them in the archive myself, as I looked through numerous
> photos and books before posting.
> > > I’ll chalk it up the amazing volume & depth of material in the
> archives - thanks!
> > >
> > > Dutch Thompson
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