Ampersand (&) on N&W box cars?

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 The point being that the ampersand is an abbreviation. Thus, "N&W" is okay, but spelling out Norfolk and Western means "and" should be spelled out, not abbreviated.
Jim Nichols
    On Sunday, September 19, 2021, 10:33:24 AM CDT, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  
 
 Ken,
I had heard the same story about R. H. Smith and the ampersand.  I don't recall who told me about this. Perhaps someone with N&W noticed the other roads with "and" spelled it out, i. e., Baltimore and Ohio.  Like you said, who knows?
Jim Brewer
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:00 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Thanks Jim

The change from the ampersand kind of fits with the story I was told almost 50 years back, that someone had told R.H. Smith that using the ampersand in the road name was incorrect and he had it changed.

Legend? Who knows?

Best
Ken Miller

> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:41 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> The change from Norfolk & Western to Norfolk and Western was effective December 2, 1947 based upon my research notes from the Revision Books.
> 
> The increase in the height of ,and Western from 7" to 9" was issued first for Class SK stock cars, dated January 15, 1953; the remaining classes of boxcars using the road name, the date for change from 7" to 9" was February 25, 1953.
> 
> The increase of height of N&W from 17" to 24", and end lettering/numbering from 4" to 7" was October 21, 1952 for Class H-2, H-2A and H-3; effective December 17, 1952 for G-3A, G-4, G3, G-1, G-2, GU and GUb; effective February 25, 1953 for HC, HC-1 HC-2, HC-3, HC-3A, HC-4, H-4, H-5,H-7, H-7A, H-8
> 
> The elimination of the 1" or 1 1/2" bar above and below the reporting marks was effective November 15, 1956.
> 
> Jim Brewer
> 
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 4:35 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> Dutch
> 
> It is not always as easily said to search for things as it sounds. You also have to have kind of an idea of the answer before you can search accurately. In this case, I knew the ampersand was used at least in the 1920s-1930s, so I searched for examples of cars built or operating during that time, that got me to searching for Class BJ, BK, B1, B2, B3 boxcars. Of course there are others, but that is what I started with, and found most of what I wanted as examples.
> 
> But yes, the archives had a great volume and depth of materials. I am looking for the date the white lines were eliminated from above and below the reporting marks and numbers. Yes, I believe it was about 1957, but don’t have the archive information in hand, have to do that when I am there and have the time to dig that out.
> 
> Best
> Ken Miller
> 
> > On Sep 18, 2021, at 12:33 PM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks Ken!
> > Those pics are very much appreciated.  I’m a bit embarrassed I wasn’t able to find them in the archive myself, as I looked through numerous photos and books before posting.
> > I’ll chalk it up the amazing volume & depth of material in the archives - thanks!
> > 
> > Dutch Thompson  
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