[game_preservation] AMAZING collection of E3 '95 videos!

[Andrew Armstrong]

Frankly, there isn't much good TV stuff around videogames (funnily 
enough). It'd be nice to archive old game shows (like UK's GameMaster 
and others), but unlikely we'd ever get permission, and they are, at 
least, preserved by the big companies.

The history documentaries I've seen have been a bit poor too, and not 
many of them anyway. So not a huge loss ;-)

The Myst thing sounds good - I got permission from one of the people 
from the team behind The Last Express to get permission to put up their 
on-CD documentary - if you can get permission and the files (which I 
don't have, else I'd try myself) then great! (I can help uploading if 
needed, but Simon can sort accounts too). No idea who owns the 
copyrights now, however :-)

Andrew

Henry Lowood wrote:

> Not to mention the new Virtual World videos collection at the IA ...  

> Just launched, still very rough:

> http://www.archive.org/details/virtual_worlds

>

> For the most part, I agree with Simon on the legal issues (though our 

> combined opinions are not worth a cup of stale coffee in court); 

> however, I would be careful about video captures from broadcast and 

> cable shows.  In the U.S., it is generally not clear how fair use 

> applies, and you only find out by being sued. Since we would be 

> exposing Internet Archive, we should probably be careful there.  (BTW 

> this note of caution is based on a conversation with Larry Lessig 

> about the machinima collection.)  Like Simon, I do obtain permission 

> from machinima makers.  In most cases, with game-based captures and 

> videos, the legal situation is a bit muddy, so it's always better to 

> secure permission.  Believe it or not, nobody has said no yet.

>

> Henry

>

> At 07:01 AM 3/31/2008, Simon Carless wrote:

>> Hey folks,

>>

>> This is in no way an official legal opinion, but my own yardstick is 

>> that free promotional videos for games are acceptable - things 

>> originally given out to press or consumers promote the game. The 

>> things which are trickier are things like recorded off TV shows for 

>> which rights of the program creator have not been checked, etc.

>>

>> So far, me and Andrew have been handling Internet Archive rights by 

>> asking the permission of the apparent owner/storer of the data and/or 

>> the interviewer (Fileshack and Kikizo) - which is working fairly 

>> well. But we have some 'B-roll' promo footage up there that was 

>> simply encoded by us, and similarly for trailers.

>>

>> So I think the majority of your videos would be fine, Jim - contact 

>> me and I'll get you admin rights for the Archive upload if you want.

>>

>> On this front, if there's anyone on the list who would like to help 

>> contribute to the Game Videos section there:

>>

>> http://www.archive.org/details/gamevideos

>>

>> ...it really is the only independent, non-profit owned archive right 

>> now and there are no file size limits, so you don't get YouTube-style 

>> detail reduction issues in the original source material. The Speed 

>> Demos Archive, Henry's machinima archive, and some new Commodore 64 

>> game captures are some of the highlights of the collection thus far, 

>> and I'm talking to some folks off-list about another exciting new 

>> collection.

>>

>> Thanks!

>> Simon.

>>

>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Andrew Armstrong 

>> <andrew at aarmstrong.org <mailto:andrew at aarmstrong.org>> wrote:

>>

>>     Great videos Devin, I'll add it to the list and put a post up. Let us

>>     know if he gets back to you. (In fact, I mean to email or contact

>>     tons

>>     of youtube people to see if they want a permanent download

>>     location at

>>     the archive, since they do walkthroughs or tons of in-game stuff and

>>     that would be good to have as well).

>>

>>     And Jim; while Henry or Simon might be more inclined to know the

>>     legal

>>     side, if they are promotional material there is likely no real big

>>     problem with uploading the material - for instance, currently I have

>>     been uploading a huge amount of Fileshack videos (currently

>>     concentrating on any "interviews") which mainly means that

>>     Fileshack is

>>     the source for the marketing material (for many developers and

>>     publishers which have now shut down!), so causes no issues of

>>     borrowing

>>     a watermarked video (which Fileshack doesn't do anyway).

>>

>>     We don't however put up the videos under any licence - it's

>>     assumed we

>>     don't have permission for putting it under the Creative Commons,

>>     therefore, it's for self-use/educational/research purposes mainly.

>>

>>     I certainly presume if they are old videos, simply no one will really

>>     care (if the companies which produce them exist at all nowdays) -

>>     and as

>>     we know, the biggest barrier currently to fleshing out things

>>     like the

>>     archive's video collection is pure apathy and ignorance, right?

>>

>>     Anyway, perhaps, Henry or Simon can chip in with an opinion :)

>>

>>     Andrew

>>

>>     Jim Leonard wrote:

>>     > Captain Commando wrote:

>>     >> I highly recommend adding this to the resource list. I have

>>     also sent

>>     >> him a message through YouTube asking if he would be interested in

>>     >> donating videos to the SIG.

>>     >

>>     > This reminds me, I have a lot of videos I've been collecting

>>     about the

>>     > making of certain games (digital interviews on early "ezines",

>>     > videotapes that came with products such as the WC3 filmcan and 7th

>>     > guest, early promotional videos from Sierra that feature the

>>     > programmers, etc.) and was wondering what the legal

>>     ramifications were

>>     > to contribute them somewhere.  The historical significance is a

>>     given;

>>     > it's the legal issues that have stopped me.  I thought of uploading

>>     > them to archive.org <http://archive.org> but I don't feel their

>>     fair use rights (education,

>>     > reference, etc.) would be as protected there as, for example,

>>     the SIG.

>>     > Is this something the SIG could receive and host to the public?

>>     >

>>     > With my experience doing restoration work on the MindCandy

>>     DVDs, I've

>>     > gotten really good at making them presentable (even the 15fps

>>     > sub-Youtube ones) so it's a project without a destination...

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>  Film & Media Collections

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