[game_preservation] AMAZING collection of E3 '95 videos!

[Mike Melanson]

I have fond memories of the original incarnation of this TV show:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GamePro_TV

If anyone needs those 5 Making of Myst videos from the Sega Saturn
version, I would happy to contribute (and explain how to convert them to
something usable).

-- 
	-Mike Melanson


Andrew Armstrong wrote:

> Frankly, there isn't much good TV stuff around videogames (funnily

> enough). It'd be nice to archive old game shows (like UK's GameMaster

> and others), but unlikely we'd ever get permission, and they are, at

> least, preserved by the big companies.

> 

> The history documentaries I've seen have been a bit poor too, and not

> many of them anyway. So not a huge loss ;-)

> 

> The Myst thing sounds good - I got permission from one of the people

> from the team behind The Last Express to get permission to put up their

> on-CD documentary - if you can get permission and the files (which I

> don't have, else I'd try myself) then great! (I can help uploading if

> needed, but Simon can sort accounts too). No idea who owns the

> copyrights now, however :-)

> 

> Andrew

> 

> Henry Lowood wrote:

>> Not to mention the new Virtual World videos collection at the IA ... 

>> Just launched, still very rough:

>> http://www.archive.org/details/virtual_worlds

>>

>> For the most part, I agree with Simon on the legal issues (though our

>> combined opinions are not worth a cup of stale coffee in court);

>> however, I would be careful about video captures from broadcast and

>> cable shows.  In the U.S., it is generally not clear how fair use

>> applies, and you only find out by being sued. Since we would be

>> exposing Internet Archive, we should probably be careful there.  (BTW

>> this note of caution is based on a conversation with Larry Lessig

>> about the machinima collection.)  Like Simon, I do obtain permission

>> from machinima makers.  In most cases, with game-based captures and

>> videos, the legal situation is a bit muddy, so it's always better to

>> secure permission.  Believe it or not, nobody has said no yet.

>>

>> Henry

>>

>> At 07:01 AM 3/31/2008, Simon Carless wrote:

>>> Hey folks,

>>>

>>> This is in no way an official legal opinion, but my own yardstick is

>>> that free promotional videos for games are acceptable - things

>>> originally given out to press or consumers promote the game. The

>>> things which are trickier are things like recorded off TV shows for

>>> which rights of the program creator have not been checked, etc.

>>>

>>> So far, me and Andrew have been handling Internet Archive rights by

>>> asking the permission of the apparent owner/storer of the data and/or

>>> the interviewer (Fileshack and Kikizo) - which is working fairly

>>> well. But we have some 'B-roll' promo footage up there that was

>>> simply encoded by us, and similarly for trailers.

>>>

>>> So I think the majority of your videos would be fine, Jim - contact

>>> me and I'll get you admin rights for the Archive upload if you want.

>>>

>>> On this front, if there's anyone on the list who would like to help

>>> contribute to the Game Videos section there:

>>>

>>> http://www.archive.org/details/gamevideos

>>>

>>> ...it really is the only independent, non-profit owned archive right

>>> now and there are no file size limits, so you don't get YouTube-style

>>> detail reduction issues in the original source material. The Speed

>>> Demos Archive, Henry's machinima archive, and some new Commodore 64

>>> game captures are some of the highlights of the collection thus far,

>>> and I'm talking to some folks off-list about another exciting new

>>> collection.

>>>

>>> Thanks!

>>> Simon.

>>>

>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Andrew Armstrong

>>> <andrew at aarmstrong.org <mailto:andrew at aarmstrong.org>> wrote:

>>>

>>>     Great videos Devin, I'll add it to the list and put a post up. Let us

>>>     know if he gets back to you. (In fact, I mean to email or contact

>>>     tons

>>>     of youtube people to see if they want a permanent download

>>>     location at

>>>     the archive, since they do walkthroughs or tons of in-game stuff and

>>>     that would be good to have as well).

>>>

>>>     And Jim; while Henry or Simon might be more inclined to know the

>>>     legal

>>>     side, if they are promotional material there is likely no real big

>>>     problem with uploading the material - for instance, currently I have

>>>     been uploading a huge amount of Fileshack videos (currently

>>>     concentrating on any "interviews") which mainly means that

>>>     Fileshack is

>>>     the source for the marketing material (for many developers and

>>>     publishers which have now shut down!), so causes no issues of

>>>     borrowing

>>>     a watermarked video (which Fileshack doesn't do anyway).

>>>

>>>     We don't however put up the videos under any licence - it's

>>>     assumed we

>>>     don't have permission for putting it under the Creative Commons,

>>>     therefore, it's for self-use/educational/research purposes mainly.

>>>

>>>     I certainly presume if they are old videos, simply no one will really

>>>     care (if the companies which produce them exist at all nowdays) -

>>>     and as

>>>     we know, the biggest barrier currently to fleshing out things

>>>     like the

>>>     archive's video collection is pure apathy and ignorance, right?

>>>

>>>     Anyway, perhaps, Henry or Simon can chip in with an opinion :)

>>>

>>>     Andrew

>>>

>>>     Jim Leonard wrote:

>>>     > Captain Commando wrote:

>>>     >> I highly recommend adding this to the resource list. I have

>>>     also sent

>>>     >> him a message through YouTube asking if he would be interested in

>>>     >> donating videos to the SIG.

>>>     >

>>>     > This reminds me, I have a lot of videos I've been collecting

>>>     about the

>>>     > making of certain games (digital interviews on early "ezines",

>>>     > videotapes that came with products such as the WC3 filmcan and 7th

>>>     > guest, early promotional videos from Sierra that feature the

>>>     > programmers, etc.) and was wondering what the legal

>>>     ramifications were

>>>     > to contribute them somewhere.  The historical significance is a

>>>     given;

>>>     > it's the legal issues that have stopped me.  I thought of uploading

>>>     > them to archive.org <http://archive.org> but I don't feel their

>>>     fair use rights (education,

>>>     > reference, etc.) would be as protected there as, for example,

>>>     the SIG.

>>>     > Is this something the SIG could receive and host to the public?

>>>     >

>>>     > With my experience doing restoration work on the MindCandy

>>>     DVDs, I've

>>>     > gotten really good at making them presentable (even the 15fps

>>>     > sub-Youtube ones) so it's a project without a destination...

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>>

>> Henry Lowood, Ph.D.

>> Curator for History of Science & Technology Collections;

>>  Film & Media Collections

>> HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall

>> Stanford University Libraries

>> Stanford CA 94305-6004

>> 650-723-4602; lowood at stanford.edu; http://www.stanford.edu/~lowood

>> <http://www.stanford.edu/%7Elowood>

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