[game_preservation] AMAZING collection of E3 '95 videos!

[Captain Commando]

I'm pretty sure I have not one, but TWO copies of the Sega Saturn MYST.
However, I don't know anything about converting Cinepack's to more common
formats. I'm also concerned that there may be stricter policies regarding
home console software than PC software.

-DM

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Mike Melanson <mike at multimedia.cx> wrote:


> I have fond memories of the original incarnation of this TV show:

>

>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GamePro_TV

>

> If anyone needs those 5 Making of Myst videos from the Sega Saturn

> version, I would happy to contribute (and explain how to convert them to

> something usable).

>

> --

>        -Mike Melanson

>

>

> Andrew Armstrong wrote:

> > Frankly, there isn't much good TV stuff around videogames (funnily

> > enough). It'd be nice to archive old game shows (like UK's GameMaster

> > and others), but unlikely we'd ever get permission, and they are, at

> > least, preserved by the big companies.

> >

> > The history documentaries I've seen have been a bit poor too, and not

> > many of them anyway. So not a huge loss ;-)

> >

> > The Myst thing sounds good - I got permission from one of the people

> > from the team behind The Last Express to get permission to put up their

> > on-CD documentary - if you can get permission and the files (which I

> > don't have, else I'd try myself) then great! (I can help uploading if

> > needed, but Simon can sort accounts too). No idea who owns the

> > copyrights now, however :-)

> >

> > Andrew

> >

> > Henry Lowood wrote:

> >> Not to mention the new Virtual World videos collection at the IA ...

> >> Just launched, still very rough:

> >> http://www.archive.org/details/virtual_worlds

> >>

> >> For the most part, I agree with Simon on the legal issues (though our

> >> combined opinions are not worth a cup of stale coffee in court);

> >> however, I would be careful about video captures from broadcast and

> >> cable shows.  In the U.S., it is generally not clear how fair use

> >> applies, and you only find out by being sued. Since we would be

> >> exposing Internet Archive, we should probably be careful there.  (BTW

> >> this note of caution is based on a conversation with Larry Lessig

> >> about the machinima collection.)  Like Simon, I do obtain permission

> >> from machinima makers.  In most cases, with game-based captures and

> >> videos, the legal situation is a bit muddy, so it's always better to

> >> secure permission.  Believe it or not, nobody has said no yet.

> >>

> >> Henry

> >>

> >> At 07:01 AM 3/31/2008, Simon Carless wrote:

> >>> Hey folks,

> >>>

> >>> This is in no way an official legal opinion, but my own yardstick is

> >>> that free promotional videos for games are acceptable - things

> >>> originally given out to press or consumers promote the game. The

> >>> things which are trickier are things like recorded off TV shows for

> >>> which rights of the program creator have not been checked, etc.

> >>>

> >>> So far, me and Andrew have been handling Internet Archive rights by

> >>> asking the permission of the apparent owner/storer of the data and/or

> >>> the interviewer (Fileshack and Kikizo) - which is working fairly

> >>> well. But we have some 'B-roll' promo footage up there that was

> >>> simply encoded by us, and similarly for trailers.

> >>>

> >>> So I think the majority of your videos would be fine, Jim - contact

> >>> me and I'll get you admin rights for the Archive upload if you want.

> >>>

> >>> On this front, if there's anyone on the list who would like to help

> >>> contribute to the Game Videos section there:

> >>>

> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/gamevideos

> >>>

> >>> ...it really is the only independent, non-profit owned archive right

> >>> now and there are no file size limits, so you don't get YouTube-style

> >>> detail reduction issues in the original source material. The Speed

> >>> Demos Archive, Henry's machinima archive, and some new Commodore 64

> >>> game captures are some of the highlights of the collection thus far,

> >>> and I'm talking to some folks off-list about another exciting new

> >>> collection.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks!

> >>> Simon.

> >>>

> >>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Andrew Armstrong

> >>> <andrew at aarmstrong.org <mailto:andrew at aarmstrong.org>> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>     Great videos Devin, I'll add it to the list and put a post up. Let

> us

> >>>     know if he gets back to you. (In fact, I mean to email or contact

> >>>     tons

> >>>     of youtube people to see if they want a permanent download

> >>>     location at

> >>>     the archive, since they do walkthroughs or tons of in-game stuff

> and

> >>>     that would be good to have as well).

> >>>

> >>>     And Jim; while Henry or Simon might be more inclined to know the

> >>>     legal

> >>>     side, if they are promotional material there is likely no real big

> >>>     problem with uploading the material - for instance, currently I

> have

> >>>     been uploading a huge amount of Fileshack videos (currently

> >>>     concentrating on any "interviews") which mainly means that

> >>>     Fileshack is

> >>>     the source for the marketing material (for many developers and

> >>>     publishers which have now shut down!), so causes no issues of

> >>>     borrowing

> >>>     a watermarked video (which Fileshack doesn't do anyway).

> >>>

> >>>     We don't however put up the videos under any licence - it's

> >>>     assumed we

> >>>     don't have permission for putting it under the Creative Commons,

> >>>     therefore, it's for self-use/educational/research purposes mainly.

> >>>

> >>>     I certainly presume if they are old videos, simply no one will

> really

> >>>     care (if the companies which produce them exist at all nowdays) -

> >>>     and as

> >>>     we know, the biggest barrier currently to fleshing out things

> >>>     like the

> >>>     archive's video collection is pure apathy and ignorance, right?

> >>>

> >>>     Anyway, perhaps, Henry or Simon can chip in with an opinion :)

> >>>

> >>>     Andrew

> >>>

> >>>     Jim Leonard wrote:

> >>>     > Captain Commando wrote:

> >>>     >> I highly recommend adding this to the resource list. I have

> >>>     also sent

> >>>     >> him a message through YouTube asking if he would be interested

> in

> >>>     >> donating videos to the SIG.

> >>>     >

> >>>     > This reminds me, I have a lot of videos I've been collecting

> >>>     about the

> >>>     > making of certain games (digital interviews on early "ezines",

> >>>     > videotapes that came with products such as the WC3 filmcan and

> 7th

> >>>     > guest, early promotional videos from Sierra that feature the

> >>>     > programmers, etc.) and was wondering what the legal

> >>>     ramifications were

> >>>     > to contribute them somewhere.  The historical significance is a

> >>>     given;

> >>>     > it's the legal issues that have stopped me.  I thought of

> uploading

> >>>     > them to archive.org <http://archive.org> but I don't feel their

> >>>     fair use rights (education,

> >>>     > reference, etc.) would be as protected there as, for example,

> >>>     the SIG.

> >>>     > Is this something the SIG could receive and host to the public?

> >>>     >

> >>>     > With my experience doing restoration work on the MindCandy

> >>>     DVDs, I've

> >>>     > gotten really good at making them presentable (even the 15fps

> >>>     > sub-Youtube ones) so it's a project without a destination...

> >>>     _______________________________________________

> >>>     game_preservation mailing list

> >>>     game_preservation at igda.org <mailto:game_preservation at igda.org>

> >>>     http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/game_preservation

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> _______________________________________________

> >>> game_preservation mailing list

> >>> game_preservation at igda.org

> >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/game_preservation

> >>

> >> Henry Lowood, Ph.D.

> >> Curator for History of Science & Technology Collections;

> >>  Film & Media Collections

> >> HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall

> >> Stanford University Libraries

> >> Stanford CA 94305-6004

> >> 650-723-4602; lowood at stanford.edu; http://www.stanford.edu/~lowood<http://www.stanford.edu/%7Elowood>

> >> <http://www.stanford.edu/%7Elowood>

> >>

> >>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >>

> >> _______________________________________________

> >> game_preservation mailing list

> >> game_preservation at igda.org

> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/game_preservation

> >>

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > game_preservation mailing list

> > game_preservation at igda.org

> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/game_preservation

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> game_preservation mailing list

> game_preservation at igda.org

> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/game_preservation

>




-- 
The sleep of Reason produces monsters.

"Until next time..."
Captain Commando
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/game_preservation/attachments/20080331/ded34608/attachment.html>