[game_preservation] AMAZING collection of E3 '95 videos!

[Andrew Armstrong]

Hey both of you; one of you ask for permission and I'll be happy to put 
them on (or you can yourselves). I wish I knew who to contact ;-) but I 
doubt it's any different for consoles, as long as someone says "yes".

Conversion wise, I'm sure if FFMPEG can read it, we can put it up in any 
format :-)

Andrew

Captain Commando wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I have not one, but TWO copies of the Sega Saturn 

> MYST. However, I don't know anything about converting Cinepack's to 

> more common formats. I'm also concerned that there may be stricter 

> policies regarding home console software than PC software.

>

> -DM

>

> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Mike Melanson <mike at multimedia.cx 

> <mailto:mike at multimedia.cx>> wrote:

>

>     I have fond memories of the original incarnation of this TV show:

>

>      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GamePro_TV

>

>     If anyone needs those 5 Making of Myst videos from the Sega Saturn

>     version, I would happy to contribute (and explain how to convert

>     them to

>     something usable).

>

>     --

>            -Mike Melanson

>

>

>     Andrew Armstrong wrote:

>     > Frankly, there isn't much good TV stuff around videogames (funnily

>     > enough). It'd be nice to archive old game shows (like UK's

>     GameMaster

>     > and others), but unlikely we'd ever get permission, and they are, at

>     > least, preserved by the big companies.

>     >

>     > The history documentaries I've seen have been a bit poor too,

>     and not

>     > many of them anyway. So not a huge loss ;-)

>     >

>     > The Myst thing sounds good - I got permission from one of the people

>     > from the team behind The Last Express to get permission to put

>     up their

>     > on-CD documentary - if you can get permission and the files (which I

>     > don't have, else I'd try myself) then great! (I can help

>     uploading if

>     > needed, but Simon can sort accounts too). No idea who owns the

>     > copyrights now, however :-)

>     >

>     > Andrew

>     >

>     > Henry Lowood wrote:

>     >> Not to mention the new Virtual World videos collection at the

>     IA ...

>     >> Just launched, still very rough:

>     >> http://www.archive.org/details/virtual_worlds

>     >>

>     >> For the most part, I agree with Simon on the legal issues

>     (though our

>     >> combined opinions are not worth a cup of stale coffee in court);

>     >> however, I would be careful about video captures from broadcast and

>     >> cable shows.  In the U.S., it is generally not clear how fair use

>     >> applies, and you only find out by being sued. Since we would be

>     >> exposing Internet Archive, we should probably be careful there.

>      (BTW

>     >> this note of caution is based on a conversation with Larry Lessig

>     >> about the machinima collection.)  Like Simon, I do obtain

>     permission

>     >> from machinima makers.  In most cases, with game-based captures and

>     >> videos, the legal situation is a bit muddy, so it's always

>     better to

>     >> secure permission.  Believe it or not, nobody has said no yet.

>     >>

>     >> Henry

>     >>

>     >> At 07:01 AM 3/31/2008, Simon Carless wrote:

>     >>> Hey folks,

>     >>>

>     >>> This is in no way an official legal opinion, but my own

>     yardstick is

>     >>> that free promotional videos for games are acceptable - things

>     >>> originally given out to press or consumers promote the game. The

>     >>> things which are trickier are things like recorded off TV

>     shows for

>     >>> which rights of the program creator have not been checked, etc.

>     >>>

>     >>> So far, me and Andrew have been handling Internet Archive

>     rights by

>     >>> asking the permission of the apparent owner/storer of the data

>     and/or

>     >>> the interviewer (Fileshack and Kikizo) - which is working fairly

>     >>> well. But we have some 'B-roll' promo footage up there that was

>     >>> simply encoded by us, and similarly for trailers.

>     >>>

>     >>> So I think the majority of your videos would be fine, Jim -

>     contact

>     >>> me and I'll get you admin rights for the Archive upload if you

>     want.

>     >>>

>     >>> On this front, if there's anyone on the list who would like to

>     help

>     >>> contribute to the Game Videos section there:

>     >>>

>     >>> http://www.archive.org/details/gamevideos

>     >>>

>     >>> ...it really is the only independent, non-profit owned archive

>     right

>     >>> now and there are no file size limits, so you don't get

>     YouTube-style

>     >>> detail reduction issues in the original source material. The Speed

>     >>> Demos Archive, Henry's machinima archive, and some new

>     Commodore 64

>     >>> game captures are some of the highlights of the collection

>     thus far,

>     >>> and I'm talking to some folks off-list about another exciting new

>     >>> collection.

>     >>>

>     >>> Thanks!

>     >>> Simon.

>     >>>

>     >>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Andrew Armstrong

>     >>> <andrew at aarmstrong.org <mailto:andrew at aarmstrong.org>

>     <mailto:andrew at aarmstrong.org <mailto:andrew at aarmstrong.org>>> wrote:

>     >>>

>     >>>     Great videos Devin, I'll add it to the list and put a post

>     up. Let us

>     >>>     know if he gets back to you. (In fact, I mean to email or

>     contact

>     >>>     tons

>     >>>     of youtube people to see if they want a permanent download

>     >>>     location at

>     >>>     the archive, since they do walkthroughs or tons of in-game

>     stuff and

>     >>>     that would be good to have as well).

>     >>>

>     >>>     And Jim; while Henry or Simon might be more inclined to

>     know the

>     >>>     legal

>     >>>     side, if they are promotional material there is likely no

>     real big

>     >>>     problem with uploading the material - for instance,

>     currently I have

>     >>>     been uploading a huge amount of Fileshack videos (currently

>     >>>     concentrating on any "interviews") which mainly means that

>     >>>     Fileshack is

>     >>>     the source for the marketing material (for many developers and

>     >>>     publishers which have now shut down!), so causes no issues of

>     >>>     borrowing

>     >>>     a watermarked video (which Fileshack doesn't do anyway).

>     >>>

>     >>>     We don't however put up the videos under any licence - it's

>     >>>     assumed we

>     >>>     don't have permission for putting it under the Creative

>     Commons,

>     >>>     therefore, it's for self-use/educational/research purposes

>     mainly.

>     >>>

>     >>>     I certainly presume if they are old videos, simply no one

>     will really

>     >>>     care (if the companies which produce them exist at all

>     nowdays) -

>     >>>     and as

>     >>>     we know, the biggest barrier currently to fleshing out things

>     >>>     like the

>     >>>     archive's video collection is pure apathy and ignorance,

>     right?

>     >>>

>     >>>     Anyway, perhaps, Henry or Simon can chip in with an opinion :)

>     >>>

>     >>>     Andrew

>     >>>

>     >>>     Jim Leonard wrote:

>     >>>     > Captain Commando wrote:

>     >>>     >> I highly recommend adding this to the resource list. I have

>     >>>     also sent

>     >>>     >> him a message through YouTube asking if he would be

>     interested in

>     >>>     >> donating videos to the SIG.

>     >>>     >

>     >>>     > This reminds me, I have a lot of videos I've been collecting

>     >>>     about the

>     >>>     > making of certain games (digital interviews on early

>     "ezines",

>     >>>     > videotapes that came with products such as the WC3

>     filmcan and 7th

>     >>>     > guest, early promotional videos from Sierra that feature the

>     >>>     > programmers, etc.) and was wondering what the legal

>     >>>     ramifications were

>     >>>     > to contribute them somewhere.  The historical

>     significance is a

>     >>>     given;

>     >>>     > it's the legal issues that have stopped me.  I thought

>     of uploading

>     >>>     > them to archive.org <http://archive.org>

>     <http://archive.org> but I don't feel their

>     >>>     fair use rights (education,

>     >>>     > reference, etc.) would be as protected there as, for

>     example,

>     >>>     the SIG.

>     >>>     > Is this something the SIG could receive and host to the

>     public?

>     >>>     >

>     >>>     > With my experience doing restoration work on the MindCandy

>     >>>     DVDs, I've

>     >>>     > gotten really good at making them presentable (even the

>     15fps

>     >>>     > sub-Youtube ones) so it's a project without a destination...

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>     >>

>     >> Henry Lowood, Ph.D.

>     >> Curator for History of Science & Technology Collections;

>     >>  Film & Media Collections

>     >> HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall

>     >> Stanford University Libraries

>     >> Stanford CA 94305-6004

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>     >>

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