[game_preservation] DOOM manifest for PVW project

[Andrew Armstrong]

Yeah, I was joking about the wiki, it's your document, hehe - you said 
you have a wiki ;) perfect application unless you've got a good 
relational database for processing entries like that :)

I've got no documents myself on doom level editing - I dabbled a little 
in it but that was, wow, years ago now, sorry. I'll leave it to someone 
else to know of a good one, I am sure someone else on this list would 
have a clue. I wonder if any of the DOOM books are related to level 
editing directly. There I know there is a few on just DOOM itself - I 
still need to read Masters of Doom, going to borrow it off a friend 
sometime (who ranted it was a great book himself, popular one that :) hehe).

A few things if you want more comments - for the web links, perhaps 
there should be secondary links to Archive-It copies of the resources 
linked to directly (unless the implication is you have local copies 
downloaded of them) - most of them are Archive-It or Wayback but a few 
are just direct links at least (classic doom links, some mobygames, 
planetdoom...). It seems more a mistake not having them - thus I guess 
it's a standard practice to get an Archive-It copy to add it to a manifest?

Another thing is dates. Is it worth in a manifest listing the dates 
items were either created or posted, or when they were looked at on the 
internet? Most do have wayback implicit dates mind you, and in a list 
that might not be appropriate I guess :)

Finally - I just wondered, probably slightly related, but I guess there 
is no cause for concern having items like the DOOM manual basically in a 
manifest - ie; I presume a user-scanned copy of it (or maybe off the CD 
versions?). For other games, links to unofficial translations for ROM 
files, or emulation programs necessary to run something, etc. always 
might need to be added, no problems there I hope - I've no idea what the 
range of things the manifest should have in it is of course, or what 
reasons there might be to not add anything (apart from the obvious "you 
can't fit everything in, and not everything is of the same importance").

I also did thoroughly re-read it just now - you've got an error for 
"MobyGames entry  for Ultimate DOOM" copies the link from the above entry.

Andrew

Henry Lowood wrote:

> Andrew,

>

> I think you were kidding, but just in case: Please don't put it on the 

> wiki.  It's a draft for comments.   When all is said and done, we'll 

> have all the documentation up on our project wiki, at which point it 

> will be available for all sorts of pointing and clicking.

>

> On maps/levels in the manifest (at that time, the terms were in flux). 

> Since this version, the one document I have added is Forsman & 

> Kremeier's classic piece on BSP and DOOM rendering, plus there is the 

> Q&A on editing.  But you're right, a tutorial on map/level design 

> would be nice.  If anyone wants to suggest a good document on that 

> topic, I'll consider including it.

>

> Another point is that there is a fair-sized library of printed books 

> on that subject, which we can hope will still be available 100 years 

> from now.

>

> Henry

>

> Andrew Armstrong wrote:

>> Thanks for the advice, I did open it in Open Office but sometimes, 

>> well, things do get mangled (whatever Microsoft format it is, mind 

>> you). It's pretty basic text though, hooray :D I'm tempted to put it 

>> on the wiki :)

>>

>> I liked reading the manifest. Covers all the areas I can think of 

>> except I guess technical documentation and tutorials for how to build 

>> levels for the game are kind of missing (so both technical 

>> documentation on the game, and how to build things for the game). Not 

>> needed for getting to know the game though.

>>

>> A very good example, certainly since it contains everything that 

>> would be needed to literally install and play the game, with some 

>> good important background pieces too.

>>

>> Andrew

>>

>> Devin Monnens wrote:

>>> The latest Open Office seems to have .docx support. But I still 

>>> refuse to save anything in that format. This format shift has caused 

>>> nothing but troubles. I don't even see how it is supposedly 'better' 

>>> than the old version. I have enough trouble trying to teach students 

>>> how to use the new Office without having to describe to them how to 

>>> 'save as' a document (yes, this is rocket science to them).

>>>

>>> -Devin

>>>

>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Alan Au <aau at alum.mit.edu 

>>> <mailto:aau at alum.mit.edu>> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>     Microsoft released a compatibility tool a while back:

>>>

>>>     http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=941B3470-3AE9-4AEE-8F43-C6BB74CD1466&displaylang=en

>>>     <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=941B3470-3AE9-4AEE-8F43-C6BB74CD1466&displaylang=en>

>>>

>>>     - Alan

>>>

>>>     ________________________________

>>>     > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:59:40 +0100

>>>     > From: andrew at aarmstrong.org <mailto:andrew at aarmstrong.org>

>>>     > To: game_preservation at igda.org <mailto:game_preservation at igda.org>

>>>     > Subject: Re: [game_preservation] DOOM manifest for PVW project

>>>     >

>>>     > I finally got some time to check this out, apart from it's

>>>     DOCX, and

>>>     > darn shucks if I don't own that particular bit of software.

>>>     Can anyone

>>>     > whip up a ODT or DOC version? :) I am interested in reading it.

>>>     >

>>>     > (Proprietary formats for documentation of preservation

>>>     practices, let's

>>>     > not even get into that argument/minefield, hehe).

>>>     >

>>>     > Andrew

>>>

>>>

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