[game_preservation] Release date of the Odyssey?
Henry Lowood
lowood at stanford.edu
Thu Aug 9 15:58:11 EDT 2012
Benj,
From a library perspective and as a historian, it seems to me that all
the documents ARE available -- and they were discovered without that
much effort. I'm not sure that setting up a collection is really
necessary, and yes, there are copyright issues, since access to the
databases is governed by licenses. From a copyright perspective, I
think links and embeds are the way to go, rather than hosting documents
under copyright. But my main point is that these documents were
discoverable and available. An article or an information resource
(maybe what you mean in your last sentence) pulling the information
together and citing the sources would be a more valuable project -- just
my nickel's worth of opinion.
Henry
On 8/9/2012 12:05 PM, Benj Edwards wrote:
> Excellent work, Frank and everybody. I did come across the following
> article references in my search through the Magnavox legal papers last
> night:
>
> Article on Magnavox ODYSSEY from the Wall Street Journal for May 11,
> 1972 (CDIPX 7B, MPX 78)
>
> Article on Magnavox ODYSSEY from the Television Digest for May 15,
> 1972 (CDIPX 1C, MPX 79)
>
> Article on Magnavox ODYSSEY from Time Magazine for May 22, 1972 (CDIPX
> 7D, MPX 80)
>
> Those were submitted as evidence for the 1984 Activision v. Magnavox
> trial. The WSJ article was already mentioned by Brian, but I thought
> I'd include it for completeness (it's interesting to know what the
> lawyers knew about).
>
> On a related subject, with all these attachments flying around,
> perhaps we should set up an archive of scans of source material like
> this that would be free for any researcher to access. Mainly so
> future historians (presumably those not connected to this group of
> people) don't have to go through what we just did to figure out (and
> confirm) the launch date of a particular machine.
>
> There may be copyright issues, but I'd be willing to risk hosting
> select newspaper and magazine clippings on my server. It could be a
> big date and fact archive with numbers like launch dates and retail
> prices that only come from hard sources.
>
> Regards,
> Benj
>
>
> On 8/9/2012 12:59 PM, Frank Cifaldi wrote:
>> BREAKING NEWS!
>>
>> Via the July 27, 1972 edition of The Daily Herald (Chicago):
>>
>> "Available to Magnavox dealers in August, Odyssey's initial price tag
>> of just under $100 will include 12 different games."
>>
>> This was in a report about Magnavox's annual zone meeting for its
>> dealers. There you go!
>>
>> Article is available (for pay) at newspaperarchive.com
>> <http://newspaperarchive.com>.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Philippe Dubois, association MO5.COM
>> <http://MO5.COM>, Président <samurai at mo5.com
>> <mailto:samurai at mo5.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone for your answer.
>>
>> The biography of M.Baer just came out in France this month through
>> the edition "Pix'n Love", i'm sure it will be delightful to read
>> it in details ;)
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>> Philippe Dubois, Association MO5.COM <http://MO5.COM>, Président
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Aug 9, 2012 11:25 AM, "Philippe Dubois, association MO5.COM
>> <http://MO5.COM>, Président" <samurai at mo5.com
>> <mailto:samurai at mo5.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hi everyone !
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > How can it be possible for M.Baer, with all the respect i have
>> for him, not to know the
>> exact date the Odyssey was publicly launch and available in stores ?
>>
>> Because he had nothing to do with that. Remember, he was with
>> Sanders.
>>
>> The Odyssey's launch, distribution, etc. was a Magnavox issue.
>>
>> What about the date when M.Baer showed up the tennis game to
>> M.Bushnell so he went into the idea of cloning this as "Pong" ?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> He didn't show anything, Magnavox did.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Best regards,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -----------
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Cordialement,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Philippe Dubois, AssociationMO5.COM <http://MO5.COM>, Président
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --
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>> >
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>> > Maybe we just have different philosophies but I'm going to have
>> to strongly disagree here. The
>> only thing we know as solid fact right now is that sometime
>> between May 3 and August 30, the Odyssey was in at least one
>> store. Saying "by August" is safe, I agree, but I fail to see how
>> saying the first sale was in August is any safer than saying the
>> first sale was in July. We just don't know.
>>
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>> > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Bill Loguidice
>> <bill at armchairarcade.com
>> <mailto:bill at armchairarcade.com>> wrote:
>>
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>> >
>>
>> > August is safest at the moment because the ad is thus far our
>> earliest proof of a unit
>> physically being in a store. Again, it doesn't mean it was for
>> sale - it could have been a demo unit - but even if it wasn't
>> necessarily in stock, it was likely available for order. If we
>> have some type of earlier proof a unit was in a store, we can
>> revise the estimate. That's why I personally think August is
>> "safe" and the best available time period. If someone can dig up
>> earlier availability at a Magnavox dealer, all the better...
>>
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>> > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Frank Cifaldi <fcifaldi at gmail.com
>> <mailto:fcifaldi at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> > Why is August the safest estimate? And do we want a "safe
>> estimate" or do we want an exact
>> range?
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>> > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Bill Loguidice
>> <bill at armchairarcade.com
>> <mailto:bill at armchairarcade.com>> wrote:
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>> > I think right now August is still our safest estimate, though
>> you're right, it could
>> certainly have been released sooner. Even the ad - which at least
>> proves the system was at dealers by August - doesn't necessarily
>> mean it was for SALE in August (it's a relatively modest "come
>> see" - you would think they would advertise something so "cool"
>> with the TVs and indicate its actual availability).
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