[game_preservation] Internet Archive Starts Archiving Commercial PC Games?

[Alex Handy]

What's the point of preservation if no one can see, hear, or use what's
been preserved?
On Dec 16, 2013 12:00 PM, "Martin Goldberg" <wgungfu at gmail.com> wrote:


> Certainly understandable, though them not getting back to you should be a

> clear indication of rights not granted. Either way, I would think there's a

> difference between preservation and offering them up on a website for

> download and play though.

>

>

> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Alex Handy <alex at themade.org> wrote:

>

>> Certainly, some are very easy to source. I've tried to get rights like

>> this for preservation purposes before, and it's a very, very difficult row

>> to hoe. Even knowing who owns the games, they won't return your calls...

>>

>> There is stuff out there that's vanishing, and i love Jason's save it all

>> attitude.

>> On Dec 16, 2013 11:18 AM, "Martin Goldberg" <wgungfu at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> That's certainly not the case with any of the Atari games and some of

>>> the other related companies. They're very easy to source.

>>>

>>>

>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Alex Handy <alex at themade.org> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Problem is most of the stuff he's preserving is damn near impossible to

>>>> source ip rights on. 80's game companies have all been sold off a dozen

>>>> times, and the companies that still own those rights probably don't even

>>>> know they own them..

>>>>

>>>> Ip is a mess right now. I think Jason is doing the right thing. Waiting

>>>> for companies to give him permission would basically doom the project to

>>>> failure.

>>>> On Dec 16, 2013 9:30 AM, "Andrew Perti" <andrew.perti at thesimm.org>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I recently had a lengthy discussion with Jason about this. He's using

>>>>> what he calls the 'back door' method, rather than the legal and

>>>>> conventional 'front door.' A 'let's see what happens' approach.

>>>>>

>>>>> Preservation, to me, does not necessarily include making something

>>>>> publicly available. This is especially true when you don't hold an original

>>>>> to reference from. I'd call it piracy with rose tinted sunglasses; at the

>>>>> core, mass proliferation of copywritten works (IP) for free. The intent was

>>>>> the same and Underground-Gamer.com was taken down this past year for

>>>>> gross proliferation.

>>>>>

>>>>> We'll see what spaghetti sticks to the ceiling and which falls. Though

>>>>> the JSMESS stack is impressive, I'm of the opinion that public domain ROMs,

>>>>> shareware, and other freeware may have been a better route to get the

>>>>> conversation going from the start.

>>>>>

>>>>> Martin Goldberg <wgungfu at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There isn't for the Atari related games, so your first assessment is

>>>>>> most likely right.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Benj Edwards <

>>>>>> editor at vintagecomputing.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If I had to guess, I think Jason is uploading those commercial game

>>>>>>> CDs to force the issue (i.e. preserve them at all costs, regardless of

>>>>>>> legality), probably with the consideration that legal action against the

>>>>>>> Archive for those old games is unlikely.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Or maybe IA does have some agreement cooked up with those games'

>>>>>>> publishers.  But I seriously, seriously doubt it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Benj

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 12/15/2013 3:36 PM, Andrew Armstrong wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I wonder who that is ;)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Andrew

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2013 19:14, Jim Leonard wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On 12/8/2013 1:03 AM, Mike Melanson wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> All of these seem to have a release date of today (December 7).

>>>>>>>>>> So maybe

>>>>>>>>>> they're planning a big announcement.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> A sampling of metadata for that collection shows "<uploader>

>>>>>>>>> jscott at archive.org</uploader>", so I would imagine you can

>>>>>>>>> contact that address for more details.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

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